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Old Aug 17th, 2008, 21:46 PM   #31
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Glad you started this one Daisy as I went to the doctors last Monday with exactly this.

She categorically told me that as long as you get ovulation symptoms (i.e pain) and a surge on OPK (and obviously you ovulate), ladies with short luteal phases should have no problem in getting pregnant.

I am down to an average of 10 day LP with an average of a 24 day cycle.

So all the stuff I have googled about short luteal phases and defects are crap!
So do u beleive your doctor or your research. To me from what i have read i would say you should go and ask to see another doctor. My sister is a vet (i know she isn't a doctor) but she knows how these things work, as soon as i mentioned i had a shoet LP she knew all about it and said there is hormones that can help. Hope we both get this sorted. X
I tend to believe her. I have been pregnant twice now and know that I can get pregnant easily but I think with the recent m/c and some added stresses, I have not fallen since. Not sure why she would dismiss a short luteal phase defect tbh. What benefit would that be to me and her? She also said that for people at my age (37), she would not want to see me until I had tried for a year (under 6 months at the mo) and for people younger, 2 years.

All I know is that if I spent my time stressing more and googling this subject, I dont think I would ever get pregnant!

I am no expert but I am going to go with her theory. I may be wrong!

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Old Aug 17th, 2008, 22:22 PM   #32
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Glad you started this one Daisy as I went to the doctors last Monday with exactly this.

She categorically told me that as long as you get ovulation symptoms (i.e pain) and a surge on OPK (and obviously you ovulate), ladies with short luteal phases should have no problem in getting pregnant.

I am down to an average of 10 day LP with an average of a 24 day cycle.

So all the stuff I have googled about short luteal phases and defects are crap!
So do u beleive your doctor or your research. To me from what i have read i would say you should go and ask to see another doctor. My sister is a vet (i know she isn't a doctor) but she knows how these things work, as soon as i mentioned i had a shoet LP she knew all about it and said there is hormones that can help. Hope we both get this sorted. X
I tend to believe her. I have been pregnant twice now and know that I can get pregnant easily but I think with the recent m/c and some added stresses, I have not fallen since. Not sure why she would dismiss a short luteal phase defect tbh. What benefit would that be to me and her? She also said that for people at my age (37), she would not want to see me until I had tried for a year (under 6 months at the mo) and for people younger, 2 years.

All I know is that if I spent my time stressing more and googling this subject, I dont think I would ever get pregnant!

I am no expert but I am going to go with her theory. I may be wrong!

Having been down this route once and having been subsequently referred to an obstetrician (with whom I went into this subject in depth), I'm sad to say that you have more faith in your GP than I was led to have in mine.

She's right that if you ovulate you should have no problem in getting pregnant.....but unfortunately getting pregnant and staying pregnant with a Luteal Phase of less than 10 days, are two very different things. You get pregnant, but your progesterone levels just simply don't get high enough to stop your body shedding the endemetrium, and in most cases.....the fertislised egg. Yes there are some womem who don't lose their baby at this point, but sadly most do.

My ostetrician explained that GP's aren't fertility experts and sadly he spends a lot of his time assisting ladies who should have been referred a lot earlier, but the GP simply did not understand the issue with LPD. They are essentially trained to test for ovulation (through CD5 & 21 tests) and thats the extent of it with them.

Thankfully I'd sef-rectified by the time I reached the obstetrician last time, but he assured me that if it rose again (which it appears to be doing right now!) I needed to insist upon my GP taking it more seriously.

My concern would also be raised at her comments on referral time. NHS guidelines stipulate that couples who have been trying for 1 year with no successful pregnancy are entitled to investigation, and over the age of 35, it is recommended that you are only have to wait 6 months although this at the GP's discretion.
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Old Aug 17th, 2008, 22:33 PM   #33
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Thanks for this i'm 24 will they not take me seriously? I can't bear the thought of having to wait extra time to have a baby cos someone decides i'm not old enough or i haven't been trying for long enough. We pay a lot in tax, do i really have to pay private to be taken seriously?
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Thanks for this i'm 24 will they not take me seriously? I can't bear the thought of having to wait extra time to have a baby cos someone decides i'm not old enough or i haven't been trying for long enough. We pay a lot in tax, do i really have to pay private to be taken seriously?
It's a sad state of affairs isn't it? I agree wholeheartedly and if you feel you are ready for a baby....then surely your rights are the same as those of a 21 yr old or a 35 yr old.

I personally next time would take some research backed evidence with me to the GP, and would ask them to explain how its not a problem. And I would be more insistent on referral.....and would go elsewhere if I didn't feel that I was getting the support I needed.

Just 'looking' around....I found this....it shows the NHS recommendations for infertility investigations, and when. It could also prove useful.

http://cks.library.nhs.uk/infertility#-296846
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...and I've just clicked into the detailed answers section in there....there is actually some really good info on when and why we should be assisted, tested and referred...

http://cks.library.nhs.uk/infertilit...wers#288126002
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Old Aug 17th, 2008, 23:16 PM   #36
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Thanks for this , there is a lot of doctor's at my surgery so if the first one i see dis regards me i will go straight back to reception and make an appointment with another doctor. Thanks for your help. XXX
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Glad you started this one Daisy as I went to the doctors last Monday with exactly this.

She categorically told me that as long as you get ovulation symptoms (i.e pain) and a surge on OPK (and obviously you ovulate), ladies with short luteal phases should have no problem in getting pregnant.

I am down to an average of 10 day LP with an average of a 24 day cycle.

So all the stuff I have googled about short luteal phases and defects are crap!
My GP was like that initially until i showed he my charts and my cbfm readings, then she refered me to a Consultant, i think they just need persuading and good "evidence" that things aren't right
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I think as Lyns says, that GPs just generally don't know enough about this stuff. They have to know a little bit about just about everything that could go wrong with a body, but their expertise really lies in knowing who to refer you to.

Rumpskin, sorry hun, but I think your doctor sounds like she can't be bothered. Why would she tell you that she doesn't want to see young ttc couples unless they've been trying for 2 years I have never heard anything so crap! Yes, she can probably be sure that after 2 years of nothing there must be something wrong, so all she has to do is sign them off to a gyno..... what exactly is she getting paid for? Hmph!
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Thanks for all the websites Lyns - very interesting!xx
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Yeah she's a star, i'm off at 4 today, i'm going to gather loads of evidence and maybe take a print out of my cycles. XXX
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