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Old May 9th, 2008, 11:51 AM   #21
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I think that while the original poster may have indeed been out of line we are all guilty of the same thing on this thread: letting emotions run high (even if the modality of expression is vastly different, of course).

"Kill" is indeed a highly charged choice of words, however let's not forget that all the OP did was communicate her opinion. Whether it was done in the right form or not is another story. It may have been an exaggerated reaction and it certainly seems to have been poorly phrased but it was just her opinion nonetheless which is EXACTLY what everyone else on this thread wanted to achieve.

I doubt you would answer after the tone in this thread socophoenix, but if you can... what made you feel that strongly? Did you think your reaction was rational and controllable? I'm sure there are loads of things you find unjust in the world, do you react to each and every one?

I can see where you are coming from to a degree. I don't agree that it has anything to do with age (or that it was illustrated in this case you're mentioning) but I do believe something along the lines of a "parenthood license" would benefit the world. Nothing fancy, a quick batch of knowledge and psychological profile tests to ensure people are emotionally mature and responsible enough to be parents. After all it takes a license to drive a car!
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Old May 9th, 2008, 11:57 AM   #22
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"parenthood license" would benefit the world. Nothing fancy, a quick batch of knowledge and psychological profile tests to ensure people are emotionally mature and responsible enough to be parents. After all it takes a license to drive a car!

I second that!!!!
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Old May 9th, 2008, 11:59 AM   #23
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Holy cow...well. I'm sorry that you are still hurting after your miscarriage, but to go at someone like that in public is completely rude and disrespectful! I don't think the girl honestly thought she was doing anything wrong hun, I mean her mother was with her, and it's only natural to show off something she is proud of whether she is 13 or 30. The mature thing to do would have been to just walk away, have a cry in the ladies room or on a friends shoulder. Attacking her in front of a crowd of people only makes you look in the wrong here.
As for having the baby out, it's really a judgement call on that one, since obviously you can't hole up and fresh air, sunshine, being around people and getting used to your surroundings is healthy for a baby. Now you can't just pack and go for hours and hours, but getting out for an hour or two at first isn't really harmful I wouldn't think. Also, there's no problem with people holding him/her, who wouldn't want to cuddle a newborn (I personally turn into a drooling idiot when I see one!), as long as hands are washed first.
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We can all either agree with peoples actions or disagree....either way however you feel, in these circumstances you had no right whatsoever to speak in such a way to the babys mum & grandmother. Its shameful.
Yound mums can't be tarred, just because they're young either, parents can be irresponsible at any age.
Also no mother can stop her daughter/son from having sex at any age, it will happen no matter what a parent does. To suggest other wise is narrow minded.
Have to highlight this and I considered saying this in reply to one of peachy_sweets posts.

Author of post & anger herself is 17 & trying to concieve (according to profile). Not that I have anything against the age but to many this would be wrong & shocking and indeed seen as a girl a kid herself trying to bring a baby into the world! However the actions of this post would not scream mature young possible Mum to me!

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Author of post & anger herself is 17 & trying to concieve (according to profile). Not that I have anything against the age but to many this would be wrong & shocking and indeed seen as a girl a kid herself trying to bring a baby into the world!
Well that changes coordinates and I'm sorry I didn't do any fact checking first. It doesn't change -but highlights- what I was saying about "licenses". Hypocritical or not responsibility is still a point.
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I am not one to reply to debates like this but a few things have been worrying me about some replies to posts like these. It feels like some people make some really harsh comments - making comments on maturity or whether someone should be trying for a baby - all maybe based on someone's frustrated rants on here. I don't agree with what the OP wrote or did either but some of the replies are also a bit worrying as we have very limited information about the situation and what is going on for the OP aswell. I hope some of the responses haven't put the OP off from writing on here again or coming to the site, when she may need some help or advice in the future.

Hope this makes sense and haven't offended anyone.
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Old May 9th, 2008, 12:13 PM   #27
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Want me to be perfectly honest I'm surprised you didn't get a slap for that!! I'd have slapped you.

Bubs being out and about as Kay says is healthy maybe I personally wouldn't let people handle my baby but I serioulsy doubt there was any harm done I bet it was lovely to get a few little cuddles & some fresh air!

'Since she obviously wasnt mother enuff to tell her to keep her legs closed at 13y/o!' ...is bang out of order & extrememly disrespectful - what mother these days can realistically stop their teenage kids from having sex? You can do all the talking lark but you can't physically stop them.
Absolutel agree with you!!

Jealousy i think!

Poor girl probably needs support.
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I agree somewhat with what EmmaJane said. I disagree with what SocoPhoenix posted - christ, the newborns in our family are passed around at family events like pass the parcel but I've always felt this is a good thing as it gets them accustomed to other people and indeed, it's a medical fact that it's best to get a baby near lots of germs as early as possible to strengthen their immune system (the 40-day rule is not accurate). BUT we all think irrational and slightly angry things when TTCing and I think SoCo was just having one of those moments. She's probably calmed down a bit now and realised she was unreasonable. So don't be scared off SoCo. x
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Have to highlight this and I considered saying this in reply to one of peachy_sweets posts.

Author of post & anger herself is 17 & trying to concieve (according to profile). Not that I have anything against the age but to many this would be wrong & shocking and indeed seen as a girl a kid herself trying to bring a baby into the world! However the actions of this post would not scream mature young possible Mum to me!

Sorry
Think i explained myself badly, and i fully agree with what you say.
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Old May 9th, 2008, 12:27 PM   #30
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I am not one to reply to debates like this but a few things have been worrying me about some replies to posts like these. It feels like some people make some really harsh comments - making comments on maturity or whether someone should be trying for a baby - all maybe based on someone's frustrated rants on here. I don't agree with what the OP wrote or did either but some of the replies are also a bit worrying as we have very limited information about the situation and what is going on for the OP aswell. I hope some of the responses haven't put the OP off from writing on here again or coming to the site, when she may need some help or advice in the future.

Hope this makes sense and haven't offended anyone.
I agree - we wouldn't want the OP to be scared of posting again. After all everyone comes on here for support and help or advice. Soco - please don't be scared away.
I think the issue of age / maturity is a valid one though - I think in the majority of circumstances (although not all) a lot of people would find someone TTC while they are still at school a bit irresponsible. I think people were pointing out that there is a certain amount of irony here: someone ranting about how irresponsible their friend is, when they are TTC whilst still almost a child themselves.
As i said above though, even though personally i find 17 a bit young (although who the hell am i to judge?) I still think we should all be here for Soco to give her help and support if she needs it.
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