Mmr vaccine - Page 3

mommyof3co · Oct 21st, 2009, 21:50 PM

Ryder is right...MMR is actually really effective, just to me the risks are too high for it as well, but that's my opinion. But it's 95-98% effective I believe is what I read...pretty high in comparison to some other diseases. Oh that rate is actually for the MMR portion only I think...I'm not completely sure on the other parts of it

Moraine · Oct 21st, 2009, 22:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ryder

There was no contradiction there, the word prevent doesnt mean that your stopping something, it means your taking measures to prevent. And while the vaccines arn't "100%", they are successfull at preventing th majority of MMR cases.

Not sure what there is to be confused about?

Im not getting chicken pox either, but chicken pox arn't a fatal illness.

Prevent actually does mean to stop something.

It was just the way you worded it that made it sound contradictory, I see you didn't mean it that way.

Anyhoo, I'm not confused. I said I was confused about how you can still get the chicken pox/mumps/measles after you have been vaccinated, but as I said I understand it now. You can still get sick, but the risk of severe complications and severity of the illness are reduced. And of course the chance of getting it is reduced. Anyway, like I said, I'm not arguing with you and I'm not arguing about the effectiveness of the vaccine. I questioned it and I found my answer. I still won't vaccinate all at once though. I do think it is related to my nephews autism.

mommyof3co · Oct 21st, 2009, 23:06 PM

Yeah your right, it USUALLY lessens the severity, not always though. For us we chose not to because we took into consideration how effective the vaccines are vs the chances of him coming into contact with the disease, then the side effects of the vaccines vs those of the disease. We chose to stop all vaccines and Hayden has had none. Not trying to convince anyone else just giving our reasoning. But that was alot of what I looked at was how effective those vaccines were....chicken pox, for example, is not very good. In Dec 2002 the CDC released a statement saying it was only about 44% effective at preventing the disease all together and about 88% effective for preventing severe cases of it. But the MMR are pretty high like I said before, just to us too many risks that go along with it..and the others.

blueclover · Oct 22nd, 2009, 13:33 PM

Hi ladies , i finally came to a decision and decided to go ahead with the mmr jab.I had a long talk about it with my doctor today and she basically convinced me that it is completely safe.I talked about all my concerns that i had and she has put my mind at ease.One thing that i dont understand is about the single shots of mmr. I asked her about that and she told me that no country in the world will offer or give single shots as it is far too dangerous so i dont understand how and where other people got their children vaccinated with single shots. Can someone please fill me in cause i dont understand. x

mommyof3co · Oct 22nd, 2009, 13:58 PM

I don't know why he would have told you that?? The only reason they are in a combination vaccine is for convenience, nothing to do with safety or efficiency. The plus of giving it in 3 separate vaccines is that you can tell which part they are reacting to if they have a reaction...it's hard to tell that with the MMR since they are combined. Also to not overwhelm their body with too much at once. It's no more dangerous to give them it in separate vaccines then as a combo MMR....they also say it's no safer (but I tend to disagree, I think the MMR all at once is just too much...if I were still vaccinating I would have them separated)

blueclover · Oct 22nd, 2009, 15:16 PM

Where would you get the single shots done then? as my doc said that there is no way that this could be done i also looked up the nhs site and it said the very same thing. I am so confused as i have heard of other people getting the single shots done too.

mommyof3co · Oct 22nd, 2009, 15:17 PM

Well I'm in the US so I can't help you with that. Here we have to call our dr and see if they have any....there is limited stock on them, they don't just keep them in stock since so many just do the MMR. Sometimes they can get some in before your appt or they can tell you where to go to get them

Caroline · Oct 22nd, 2009, 15:30 PM

There are private clinics that give the single shots. I use a company called Dh2 they are based in London, but run outreach clinics on a Saturday in Plymouth which we go to.

Try goggling measles single vaccines or something & it will probably come up with copmpannies that do it.

BTW they are supervised by a dr & administerd by qualified nurses.

dali · Oct 25th, 2009, 17:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ryder

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Originally Posted by Moraine

Besides, having the vaccine doesn't mean you won't get the illness. I mean, what's the point if you can still get it? My newphew got the chicken pox vaccine, yet he has chicken pox now. I admit I don't get it.

I;ve posted the statistics before, and the statistics for vaccinated individuals contracting those illnesses is very low when vaccinated. Back just before 2000, not vaccinating children hit a peak in popularity and major outbreaks began. Also the death count and permenant disabilities as a result of measles, mumps or rubella were much higher.

Im not sure if you are planning to send your child to school, but here in Canada it is mandatory to provide proof of vacinations in most (if not all) schools.

While the vaccines are not 100% at keeping your child from getting sick, they do prevent your child and other babies from getting it. Which is called community immunity... Which means all the kids at school A are vaccinated which protects the families of each child, including infants at home not old enough to get vaccinated.

exactly !
also it is much more dangerous for a lo to catch these illnesses without having been vaccinated and they are far more at risk of complications due to the illness. ok the vaccinations arnt 100% but if the child then goeson to catch something they have ben vaccinated against they stand a much better chance of getting over it more easily and with a smaller chance of long term side effects.
my lo had the MMR he was a little grouchy for a couple of weeks but no lasting side effects. there have been more recent studies into the MMR and autism and they back up that there was no connection between them but i would speak to your gp about your reaction to it to make sure your lo is safe to have it

dali · Oct 25th, 2009, 17:09 PM

i believe that the NHS wont do it , largely due to the periods in between jabs where the child is left unprotected ( i could be wrong but i think that is the reason )
also someone told me that the government hasnt safety tested / approved the singles vaccines or something ( again i could be wrong, just what i was told )

Oct 21st, 2009, 21:50 PM	#21
mommyof3co Mum (Mom) BnB Elite Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Waxahachie, TX Posts: 10,076	Ryder is right...MMR is actually really effective, just to me the risks are too high for it as well, but that's my opinion. But it's 95-98% effective I believe is what I read...pretty high in comparison to some other diseases. Oh that rate is actually for the MMR portion only I think...I'm not completely sure on the other parts of it

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Oct 21st, 2009, 23:06 PM	#23
mommyof3co Mum (Mom) BnB Elite Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Waxahachie, TX Posts: 10,076	Yeah your right, it USUALLY lessens the severity, not always though. For us we chose not to because we took into consideration how effective the vaccines are vs the chances of him coming into contact with the disease, then the side effects of the vaccines vs those of the disease. We chose to stop all vaccines and Hayden has had none. Not trying to convince anyone else just giving our reasoning. But that was alot of what I looked at was how effective those vaccines were....chicken pox, for example, is not very good. In Dec 2002 the CDC released a statement saying it was only about 44% effective at preventing the disease all together and about 88% effective for preventing severe cases of it. But the MMR are pretty high like I said before, just to us too many risks that go along with it..and the others.

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Oct 22nd, 2009, 13:33 PM	#24
blueclover Mum (Mom) Active BnB Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: scotland Posts: 85	Hi ladies , i finally came to a decision and decided to go ahead with the mmr jab.I had a long talk about it with my doctor today and she basically convinced me that it is completely safe.I talked about all my concerns that i had and she has put my mind at ease.One thing that i dont understand is about the single shots of mmr. I asked her about that and she told me that no country in the world will offer or give single shots as it is far too dangerous so i dont understand how and where other people got their children vaccinated with single shots. Can someone please fill me in cause i dont understand. x

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Oct 22nd, 2009, 13:58 PM	#25
mommyof3co Mum (Mom) BnB Elite Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Waxahachie, TX Posts: 10,076	I don't know why he would have told you that?? The only reason they are in a combination vaccine is for convenience, nothing to do with safety or efficiency. The plus of giving it in 3 separate vaccines is that you can tell which part they are reacting to if they have a reaction...it's hard to tell that with the MMR since they are combined. Also to not overwhelm their body with too much at once. It's no more dangerous to give them it in separate vaccines then as a combo MMR....they also say it's no safer (but I tend to disagree, I think the MMR all at once is just too much...if I were still vaccinating I would have them separated)

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Oct 22nd, 2009, 15:16 PM	#26
blueclover Mum (Mom) Active BnB Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: scotland Posts: 85	Where would you get the single shots done then? as my doc said that there is no way that this could be done i also looked up the nhs site and it said the very same thing. I am so confused as i have heard of other people getting the single shots done too.

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Oct 22nd, 2009, 15:17 PM	#27
mommyof3co Mum (Mom) BnB Elite Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Waxahachie, TX Posts: 10,076	Well I'm in the US so I can't help you with that. Here we have to call our dr and see if they have any....there is limited stock on them, they don't just keep them in stock since so many just do the MMR. Sometimes they can get some in before your appt or they can tell you where to go to get them

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Oct 22nd, 2009, 15:30 PM	#28
Caroline Mum (Mom) BnB Addict Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: North Devon Posts: 4,258	There are private clinics that give the single shots. I use a company called Dh2 they are based in London, but run outreach clinics on a Saturday in Plymouth which we go to. Try goggling measles single vaccines or something & it will probably come up with copmpannies that do it. BTW they are supervised by a dr & administerd by qualified nurses.

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Oct 25th, 2009, 17:09 PM	#30
dali Mum (Mom) Chat Happy BnB Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: east sussex Posts: 1,575	i believe that the NHS wont do it , largely due to the periods in between jabs where the child is left unprotected ( i could be wrong but i think that is the reason ) also someone told me that the government hasnt safety tested / approved the singles vaccines or something ( again i could be wrong, just what i was told )

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