11 year old bride and mum - Page 3

Akira · Nov 22nd, 2009, 21:40 PM

Whats the point in locking the guy up though? That will only take him away from his 'wife' and child and mean he cannot work and earn money to support them

aliss · Nov 22nd, 2009, 22:35 PM

I recommend some of you take the time to read up on the Roma in Eastern Europe

It isn't legal to marry at 11 year old. It isn't a legal ceremony - it is a cultural ceremony, not recognized by the Bulgarian government. That's why he is facing charges.

Yes, it is common to be married at 13 and be a mom in Roma culture. School and education, especially for girls, is not a priority at all. Try being a Roma woman in Bulgaria and getting hired - even with a diploma of some sort?

I couldn't imagine it for myself, but I'm Hungarian and the history/culture of the Roma is certainly unique - this really isn't a case of him being a dirty perv and parents dropping the ball.

DueMarch2nd · Nov 22nd, 2009, 23:25 PM

I had read a much more informative article and the parents were saying they were pleased and it really highlighted the fact it was more culturally accepted. The 19 year old said she lied about her age and she said she lied because she wanted him to like her. So really she played an adult game and got an adult result.

I agree it is wrong but in their country it is no more wrong than like it happening to a 16 year old here. It is young but not as much of a shocker, you know?

What baffles me is... How can he be allowed to LEGALLY marry her but then get told it was ILLEGAL to have sex with her? Something doesn't add up there.

hivechild · Nov 23rd, 2009, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DueMarch2nd

What baffles me is... How can he be allowed to LEGALLY marry her but then get told it was ILLEGAL to have sex with her? Something doesn't add up there.

Like Aliss said, it wasn't a legal, government sanctioned marriage. It was just a ceremony that amongst their culture is considered binding.

laluyaya02 · Nov 23rd, 2009, 12:03 PM

Ummm.... Toy! I think someone should call social services! FAST! This is disgusting! My little sister is 11, I couldnt imagine her having a child she is way too young.

bexie1985 · Nov 23rd, 2009, 12:23 PM

its grose, stupid, im shocked, i think they should take the baby off her, i know thats quite a controversal thing to say, but i was 18 when i had my first and struggled, i know teens make very good mums, but at 11, shes not even a teen, shes a child!! What the hel was she doing having sex at 11? i hadnt even started my periods at 11!! how is she going to buy nappies? clothes? baby essentials? pay rent? pay bills? its horrifying!!

Windmills · Nov 23rd, 2009, 14:23 PM

In the full article it says both grandmothers have parental responsibility for the baby so the girl can still have her childhood. I think the first article is going for the shock factor a bit too much, once you read it properly it's still pretty shocking that she's so young, but it puts it into perspective a bit better.

loobo83 · Nov 23rd, 2009, 17:11 PM

Omfg!!!!!!!!!!!

DWandMJ · Nov 23rd, 2009, 21:31 PM

Where are girl's parents? And what the hell is gypsy school?

modo · Nov 24th, 2009, 02:18 AM

1. The girl is a child that was bullied at school.

2. A 19 year man took advantage of the situation and her gratitude and raped an 11 year old CHILD (I am sorry an 11 year old cannot consent to sex with a 19 year old).

3. Of course she is going to make a comment like her baby is a doll because she is a CHILD and has no concept of being a parent.

If the guy was 13 I would agree with blaming this couple for their stupidity but with the age difference the word "couple" doesn't even apply here.

Ok reading Aliss' post has clarified things for me and put it into cultural perspective.

Nov 22nd, 2009, 21:40 PM	#21
Akira Mum (Mom) Inactive Join Date: May 2009 Location: New Zealand Posts: 709	Whats the point in locking the guy up though? That will only take him away from his 'wife' and child and mean he cannot work and earn money to support them

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Nov 22nd, 2009, 22:35 PM	#22
aliss AutoSignup (SAAB) BnB Elite Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Québec Posts: 14,787	I recommend some of you take the time to read up on the Roma in Eastern Europe It isn't legal to marry at 11 year old. It isn't a legal ceremony - it is a cultural ceremony, not recognized by the Bulgarian government. That's why he is facing charges. Yes, it is common to be married at 13 and be a mom in Roma culture. School and education, especially for girls, is not a priority at all. Try being a Roma woman in Bulgaria and getting hired - even with a diploma of some sort? I couldn't imagine it for myself, but I'm Hungarian and the history/culture of the Roma is certainly unique - this really isn't a case of him being a dirty perv and parents dropping the ball.

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Nov 22nd, 2009, 23:25 PM	#23
DueMarch2nd Mum (Mom) BnB Addict Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Grangemouth, Scotland (originally from MI,USA) Posts: 3,413	I had read a much more informative article and the parents were saying they were pleased and it really highlighted the fact it was more culturally accepted. The 19 year old said she lied about her age and she said she lied because she wanted him to like her. So really she played an adult game and got an adult result. I agree it is wrong but in their country it is no more wrong than like it happening to a 16 year old here. It is young but not as much of a shocker, you know? What baffles me is... How can he be allowed to LEGALLY marry her but then get told it was ILLEGAL to have sex with her? Something doesn't add up there.

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laluyaya02 Pregnant (Expecting) Active BnB Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: California, USA Posts: 34	Ummm.... Toy! I think someone should call social services! FAST! This is disgusting! My little sister is 11, I couldnt imagine her having a child she is way too young.

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bexie1985 Pregnant (Expecting) Chat Happy BnB Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Suffolk, England Posts: 2,325	its grose, stupid, im shocked, i think they should take the baby off her, i know thats quite a controversal thing to say, but i was 18 when i had my first and struggled, i know teens make very good mums, but at 11, shes not even a teen, shes a child!! What the hel was she doing having sex at 11? i hadnt even started my periods at 11!! how is she going to buy nappies? clothes? baby essentials? pay rent? pay bills? its horrifying!!

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Nov 23rd, 2009, 14:23 PM	#27
Windmills Mum (Mom) BnB Addict Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 8,419	In the full article it says both grandmothers have parental responsibility for the baby so the girl can still have her childhood. I think the first article is going for the shock factor a bit too much, once you read it properly it's still pretty shocking that she's so young, but it puts it into perspective a bit better.

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Nov 23rd, 2009, 17:11 PM	#28
loobo83 Mum (Mom) Active BnB Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Scotland UK Posts: 321	Omfg!!!!!!!!!!!

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DWandMJ Pregnant (Expecting) Active BnB Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Susanville, CA Posts: 171	Where are girl's parents? And what the hell is gypsy school?

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Nov 24th, 2009, 02:18 AM	#30
modo Mum (Mom) BnB Addict Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Greater London Posts: 3,258	1. The girl is a child that was bullied at school. 2. A 19 year man took advantage of the situation and her gratitude and raped an 11 year old CHILD (I am sorry an 11 year old cannot consent to sex with a 19 year old). 3. Of course she is going to make a comment like her baby is a doll because she is a CHILD and has no concept of being a parent. If the guy was 13 I would agree with blaming this couple for their stupidity but with the age difference the word "couple" doesn't even apply here. Ok reading Aliss' post has clarified things for me and put it into cultural perspective.

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