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Old May 7th, 2009, 04:57 AM   #51
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Wow, you know it amazes me how heated a thread like this can get.. i have been reading this and wasnt going to post, but its crazy and just unbelievable how rude some people are!

The original post was just a matter of one person talking about what SHE is going to do and it gets turned into a debate about whether its right or wrong. If anyone actually knows how a debate goes, its about listening to other peoples opinions and yes.. respecting that as their choice of opinion and then expressing yours in a non judgemental and respecful manner.

Im having a little boy.. and you know it doesnt matter what i decide to do with him as its no one elses choice or business but my own.. but i would never judge another person for not agreeing with me.

As for how xarxa has replied to baby.love i am shocked! I think that post was disgusting and extremely rude. There was no need for the likes of rape or racism to be brought up and you know full well this is in no way what baby.love meant. But on the subject of what you said.. yes i completely believe everyone should respect another persons opinion! No matter how bad it is to you or how wrong.. that is how they feel. I have strong opinions about many things and many of times i have wanted to start up a healthy debate about some of these things.. debating is good if done properly, i like to know other peoples opinions on matters.. but on here.. i dont feel it would be taken maturely enough. As a lot of you clearly are out for an arguement.

Back to the point of the original post.. im glad your son has healed well PB, dont let anyone make you feel you made the wrong decision. Its your child no one elses xx


 
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Old May 7th, 2009, 05:17 AM   #52
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Oh God, girls!!!! Peace!

I think we are all going crazy with pregnancy hormones!
I never could understand why breastfeeding/circumsision/cotton-disposable nappies can cause such an argument!
Surely it is up to each family and whatever works best for them

I personaly didn't have my lil boy circumsised and if the pumpkin gonna be boy I won't do that too. I am from Europe and it is something what just isn't done here routinely so it never even entered my mind But I bet if I were from the states or Canada or because of my religion/culture I would have done it without much thinking too.
If my DS will want it done when he is older - that is fine by me


 
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Old May 7th, 2009, 06:47 AM   #53
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*sigh*

I was so proud of how this thread was starting to turn out, up to page 3... Some people on here are really so good at getting just the right "tone" and encouraging a wonderfully diverse debate about a topic that is inevitably going to be very close to many pregnant women's hearts (myself included).

I'd like to congratulate dj girl on her excellent debating skills and her wonderful attitude to this whole thing. Up to page 3, this was looking like a very positive and healthy way to discuss this topic. Personally, I am totally intrigued by the whole difference in culture/procedure thing, and am really keen to read more from both "sides" of the debate. If someone showed me enough evidence that my personal intention for my little boy was not going to be the right choice, there's no doubt in my mind that I would change it, so I think it is really important to be able to discuss this openly and calmly

It'd be great if we could all post like dj girl

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Old May 7th, 2009, 07:10 AM   #54
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Oh dear. Well, thankfully I'm having a girl, but if I were having a boy I know it's a choice I'd like him to make for himself, not one I would make for him. I am unconvinced by the arguments for circumcision, and I know there are some as my brother was circumcised at 14 because of an overly tight foreskin (yes, it was painful. But it was medically necessary, and my other two brothers are very happy with their foreskins thankyouverymuch). I know my OH would be horrified at the thought of circumcising a baby without a compelling medical necessity, and I'm prepared to defer to his opinion, as he actually HAS a foreskin and I don't.

And let's face it, the flaccid male genitalia are unattractive, and no little snip is going to make them any prettier. Thank heavens I don't have to have one!

I should add that I don't think it's mutilation to do it to babies, and I don't really have a problem with doing it, I just wouldn't that's all.


 
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Old May 7th, 2009, 07:19 AM   #55
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I dont think there will ever be a calm discussion when it comes to this topic, But everyone should realise that you are not all going to agree and to respect everyones opinion. If you dont agree fair enough, but this is a forum full of people from different religions/opinions etc dont bash someone down for having a different point of view to you!


No one is saying you have to respect the practice but you do have to respect that fact that some people do and for them it is a part of their culture or belief, and to put them down for that imo is actually quite rude, nobody has any right to judge other peoples parenting decisions


 
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Old May 7th, 2009, 07:29 AM   #56
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I dont think there will ever be a calm discussion when it comes to this topic, But everyone should realise that you are not all going to agree and to respect everyones opinion. If you dont agree fair enough, but this is a forum full of people from different religions/opinions etc dont bash someone down for having a different point of view to you!
This is an extremely dangerous lign of thought. Do you really believe every opinion should be respected and tolerated?

Should you respect racists?
Should you tolerate women getting hanged for being raped?

You are basically saying that one is not allowed to disagree and speak up when you feel something is wrong. Just close our eyes and pretend it never happened.

The most important thing in a healthy discussion is to be able to discuss pros and cons objectively.

However i do agree with you to a point that neutral words and objective arguements will always get you further then using negative loaded words. One might want to think about what one wants to accomplish with a post before one writes it. I think one should consider this before one posts :'Are you trying to change someones mind, or are you simply trying to throw a fit at them for having a different opinion then yourself?'

I'm not taking sides on this matter, so don't even try to put words in my mouth.
This would be a handful of times I don't find your posts on this matter as an opinion but agressive.

You talk AT people not to people.


 
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Old May 7th, 2009, 07:35 AM   #57
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Don't women have part of their cervix remove because of an STD called HPV?.hmmmm.
I have no opinion on circumcision that I want to discuss here - but this comment is misplaced: the previous poster was saying that people anticipate preventing STDs in the future when circumcising.

Surgery on your cervix is treatment for an exisiting STD. For this analogy to stand up, we would have to be having anticipative surgery on our cervixes so we wouldn't ever catch HPV.


 
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Old May 7th, 2009, 07:47 AM   #58
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Theres no point to this thread so I'm locking it! There was no question or anything that really needed 'discussed'.

For future reference anyone who decides to voice this is the best decision for their children and you do not agree I would suggest moving on to another topic like it or lump it you do have to RESPECT other peoples decisions/lifestyles/reasons unless your the perfect parent and there not parenting method you do/will do that not everyone will agree on.


 
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