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Old Oct 21st, 2009, 13:01 PM   #1
Luuluu
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Swine Flu Vaccine - Pandemrix or Celvapan Jab - yes or no?


I wondered if you are going to have it - yes or no?
Also, after researching there are 2 types here in UK: Pandemrix or Celvapan. If you read this article, you'll see why I am debating which one:

http://http://news.sky.com/skynews/H...15405950?f=rss

Any thoughts?

UPDATE:
I saw the Doc today and spoke at length about having the vaccine. I started by asking him to tell me what you would advise if I was his pregnant wife! He said he would advise me TO have it. He said it was because 6 pregnant women have all died from the swine flu who were otherwise healthy.

I aired my concerns about the Pandemrix and that it contains Mercury and he said that if he was a pregnant lady, he wouldn't be concerned about that as the amount is so minimal, but he would be more concerned about the element in the vaccine that can cause the nervous system to attack itself ultimately resulting in paralysis. He said that the research of this particular element (originally used 30 years ago in vaccines) suggests that the paralysis eventually MAY go away, but he wouldn't want that risk if he was to take the vaccine.

He then told me that my surgery has 1000 people as "priority" BUT they will only be getting 200 vaccines in from the NHS. I may not even be in the top 200!!

Lastly, he smiled and said that if it was him, he might wait 6 months or so until the vaccine has been administered to hundreds of pregnant women to see what side effects might show up. He then finished by telling me that his wife is actually pregnant and that she knows of nobody who is having the vaccine and has decided herself NOT to have it and is going against his advice!

So my decision is made...I am NOT going to have it.

Fingers crossed I am not going to catch it now!!!!!


 
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Old Oct 21st, 2009, 13:31 PM   #2
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I've just read some interesting facts about the swine flu:

Pregnant women have a supressed immune system which means they're more likely to catch Swine Flu. The reason it's supressed is to stop the body attacking the pregnancy and expelling if it as if it were a bug! Crazy, but it makes sense.

If, like me, you have asthma, when the baby gets bigger, your lungs are squeezed up and because you're already short of breath with asthma, swine flu attacking your lungs puts you at risk of pneumonia.
They've reported 6 women here in England who died during pregnancy, 2 in Scotland and 4 in Wales.

All this totally has scared me to death!

I am going to have the jab - definitely.

My worry is that the Pandemrix contains adjuvants (booster materials to enhance the 'ingredients' used in the vaccine) which hasn't been tested (obviously!) on pregnant women. So if the body naturally has a supressed immune system, might the adjuvants boost the immune system to the point of trying to expel the baby?

Has anyone had the jab?

Hope this all makes sense and sorry if I've scared you. :-) I found this website REALLY detailed and HELPFUL about the vaccines:
http://http://www.mhra.gov.uk/Safety...tion/index.htm

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Old Oct 22nd, 2009, 13:53 PM   #3
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Has anyone read the Daily Mail today? There's a massive article in there.

I am not sure now whether to have it or not now

Are you going to have it?


 
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Old Oct 22nd, 2009, 13:59 PM   #4
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Personally I'm NOT getting it. The vaccine from what I have been reading can be more harmful to the baby then just getting it naturally. My thoughts are though it can be risky to get any flu while pregnant, I just started take probiotics (immune builder). Haven't had any problems yet! (knock on wood)


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Old Oct 22nd, 2009, 14:19 PM   #5
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Dont listen to the Daily bloody Mail! Of ALL the papers they are the KINGS of scaremongering and negativity.....

Depending on when it's available I may or may not have it. I work part time, in a secondary school so I only have about 27 days left in work. My GP surgery arent expecting the vaccine till the end of November then they will contact people. It could be mid December before I can have it and I finish for Xmas on the 16th then I have 6 days till mat leave. If that's the case I'll take my chances and stay home. If they said to me I could have it next week then I'd take it, preferably Celvapan.


 
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Old Oct 22nd, 2009, 14:43 PM   #6
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Hi, different perspective.
Up until Tuesday I would have said definitely no, thalidomide was my generation and taking anything is a no no. I asked my midwifew at booking appointment and she said she won't take it and wouldn't recommend it.
HOWEVER, I read a very intersesting and balanced article in the somewhat less hysterical guardian. To sum it up it basically recommended that if you have no contact with Joe Public then no don't take it, but if you do - I teach 4 year olds who like to share (!) then definitely do take it.
My other half has been having dreams that the baby and I die and I know he really wants me to take it, my dad is a gp and says there is almost NO chance it can affect the baby and it was just a really unbiased article that made me think twice. Better to suffer a bad cold than the other consequences.
So I'm in the yes camp now - look for the article - Tuesday Guardian supplement.


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Old Oct 22nd, 2009, 16:13 PM   #7
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Quote:
Originally Posted by littledemonme View Post
my dad is a gp and says there is almost NO chance it can affect the baby and it was just a really unbiased article that made me think twice. Better to suffer a bad cold than the other consequences.
So I'm in the yes camp now - look for the article - Tuesday Guardian supplement.
That's really interesting. Does your Dad recommend the Pandemrix or the Celvapan?

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Old Oct 23rd, 2009, 13:09 PM   #8
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[QUOTE=littledemonme;3368349] almost NO chance it can affect the babyQUOTE]

ALMOST NO CHANCE!!!!!! to me that is still a chance idc how low. not to mention, that live vaccines have been proven to cause Autism.... I'm just not willing to do something to harm my child's future.


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Old Oct 23rd, 2009, 13:36 PM   #9
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I don't know I'll ask Lulu.


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Old Oct 24th, 2009, 16:36 PM   #10
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Live vaccines have not been shown to cause autism. One scientist published this discredited work based on insubstantial data. Many previous and subsequent studies provide no evidence to back up this example of poor science.

As for the vaccine, both are dead rather than live, so this shouldn't be an issue.
The major difference is the adjuvant (booster) in Pandemrix which isn't present in Celvapan. The components of the adjuvant are used in other vaccines so should theoretically be safe, but not suprisingly vaccines aren't tested on pregnant women, the safety information all comes from information about side effects once the vaccine is out. Neither vaccine has been out for long enough to get sufficient safety data for me to make a decision easily. But it looks like the NHS are going with Pandemrix so there may only be a yes/no choice rather than being able to pick and choose which vaccine.

I'm 27 weeks, don't work with children and could work from home if people started coming down with it....but I still think I'll have the vaccine (although I would prefer Celvapan if I had the choice).

It's a tricky one....


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