More people are saying NO!

kristen77 · Oct 26th, 2009, 13:43 PM

Hi girls.

I was always of the no opinion until last week. I went to the dr to ask if there was a blood test to see if I had the SF antibodies as I recently had a nasty virus. Although she came back with a negative about that, she had done an awful lot of research on my behalf. She said that her opinion had been totally changed. She had been in the no camp also but that every single immunologist was saying that we should have it. Also, she said that the vaccine is very similar to the seasonal flu vac that is routinely given to pg women in the US, and has been for many years without adverse effect.

So now I am in the probably yes camp. I know my surgery are getting in Pandemrix (sp?) and I won't have the option of having Celvapan - apparently you can't get it privately. I will probably have Pandemrix if that's the only option open to me. The way I see it, if the top immunologists are saying we should have it then they know an awful lot more than I do on the subject...

x

bumpitybump · Oct 26th, 2009, 14:05 PM

I too will not be taking either vaccine.

Pandemrix has squalene adjuvant (the part that might cause auto-immune disorders among other nasties) and mercury preservative (thiomersal), Celvapan does not have either but is cultured on monkey cells and is...well, we dont know what the side effects might be and sounds ghastly.

I will however be taking 4000iu of vitamin D3 which is a fantastic preventative for various winter ills including flu. From now until spring in the UK there is not enough UVB in sunlight to make vitamin D3 in the skin.

There is also an interesting article from the vitamin D council (non profit) about vitamin D and autism as well as flu, but I cant post the link because I'm too new here.

Luuluu · Oct 26th, 2009, 15:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bumpitybump

I too will not be taking either vaccine.

Pandemrix has squalene adjuvant (the part that might cause auto-immune disorders among other nasties) and mercury preservative (thiomersal), Celvapan does not have either but is cultured on monkey cells and is...well, we dont know what the side effects might be and sounds ghastly.

I will however be taking 4000iu of vitamin D3 which is a fantastic preventative for various winter ills including flu. From now until spring in the UK there is not enough UVB in sunlight to make vitamin D3 in the skin.

There is also an interesting article from the vitamin D council (non profit) about vitamin D and autism as well as flu, but I cant post the link because I'm too new here.

This is exactly what I have read except I've not heard about the Vitimin D. I will look into this, most definitely.
Thank you for this concise and informative post.
xxxx

New2Bumps · Oct 26th, 2009, 15:28 PM

I'm in 3rd tri and still undecided.
I might not even get offered it in time!

My view is this...

6 months immunity (double strength if BFing) for baby

versus

Possible side effects for baby

I am also of the thalidamide generation (as someone said before) and my mom was nagged to take that and never did. I think that clouds my view though and I'm trying to remember that was 32 years ago...

I hope that we're offered the Celvapan - that would make my decision a little easier. The USA are offering that but not the Pandemrix.

I hope that as weeks go by we will get a clearer picture on this.

Zarababy1 · Oct 26th, 2009, 15:48 PM

I think If im offerd it in time, after reading quite a bit about it i will get it, I dont know i mean its a really hard choice to make but i think after reading most things i'd have to go with yes, partly because altho yes there could be risks involved with it i dont really want too risk getting it late in pregnancy and becoming very ill possibly dieing when i have a small child too think about, Too me at the moment im afraid Charlie comes first and if its going to maybe prevent me from beeing ill so im here for him then i think i'd have to go for it, for me now tho its to decided if i want him to have it or not!
Really hard desisions but this thread seems too have helped me cheers x

mummypeanut · Oct 26th, 2009, 16:00 PM

The other pro i found out last weekend is that if u have the vaccine ur baby will have up to 6 months protection after its born xxx

Luuluu · Oct 26th, 2009, 18:36 PM

I went to one of my classes tonight for pregnant women and spoke to 10 other ladies, ALL of whom said NO - they won't be getting the jab.

There's some excellent info on here now.

Pleeeeeease, if you decide to have the jab (as I have already said) will you post your experience about it on here?

Thank you!
xxx

bumpitybump · Oct 26th, 2009, 18:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luuluu

Quote:

Originally Posted by bumpitybump

I too will not be taking either vaccine.

Pandemrix has squalene adjuvant (the part that might cause auto-immune disorders among other nasties) and mercury preservative (thiomersal), Celvapan does not have either but is cultured on monkey cells and is...well, we dont know what the side effects might be and sounds ghastly.

I will however be taking 4000iu of vitamin D3 which is a fantastic preventative for various winter ills including flu. From now until spring in the UK there is not enough UVB in sunlight to make vitamin D3 in the skin.

There is also an interesting article from the vitamin D council (non profit) about vitamin D and autism as well as flu, but I cant post the link because I'm too new here.

This is exactly what I have read except I've not heard about the Vitimin D. I will look into this, most definitely.
Thank you for this concise and informative post.
xxxx

My pleasure and do definitely look into vit D, its a shame I cant post links yet but with sun avoidance and sunscreen etc., we're all probably somewhat deficient and as I said before, there wont be any from the sun until late spring!

Maybe that's why we get flu and colds etc in winter - or partially why at least. In any case, I'm taking 4000iu per day until spring..

I'd like to post the full pdf data sheet for Pandemrix but again, I'm too new here, but if you google "pandemrix pdf data" result no.4 should be a link to the emea official pdf. It makes interesting reading particularly the contraindications and the fact that there is "no data for pregnant women" at all.

Siinead_x0 · Oct 27th, 2009, 07:09 AM

I went for th vaccine last night.. reading these comments now are starting to scare me! I was given a leaflet by th hospital & it said that many pregnant women have had this jab in th USA & everythng was fine.. Its th same jab as th flu only a bit stronger! I dont know what to think now, but theres nothing i can do cos ive already had it :S

chocomum · Oct 27th, 2009, 08:54 AM

I'm nearly 30 weeks pregnant and asthmatic. I already have a toddler and keep continuously catching colds etc. And becuase my immune system isn't functioning properly due to pregnancy the symptoms are more severe than usual. So am thinking it's better to have the vaccine rather then catching swine flu. My surgery are only offering Pandemrix. I would rather have Celvepan after reading reports but don't know whether i can get this privately. I am terrified of having the jab but think if i dont take it i'll catch it.

Oct 26th, 2009, 13:43 PM	#21
kristen77 Pregnant (Expecting) BnB Addict Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Manchester, England Posts: 3,018	Hi girls. I was always of the no opinion until last week. I went to the dr to ask if there was a blood test to see if I had the SF antibodies as I recently had a nasty virus. Although she came back with a negative about that, she had done an awful lot of research on my behalf. She said that her opinion had been totally changed. She had been in the no camp also but that every single immunologist was saying that we should have it. Also, she said that the vaccine is very similar to the seasonal flu vac that is routinely given to pg women in the US, and has been for many years without adverse effect. So now I am in the probably yes camp. I know my surgery are getting in Pandemrix (sp?) and I won't have the option of having Celvapan - apparently you can't get it privately. I will probably have Pandemrix if that's the only option open to me. The way I see it, if the top immunologists are saying we should have it then they know an awful lot more than I do on the subject... x

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Oct 26th, 2009, 14:05 PM	#22
bumpitybump Pregnant (Expecting) New BnB member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2	I too will not be taking either vaccine. Pandemrix has squalene adjuvant (the part that might cause auto-immune disorders among other nasties) and mercury preservative (thiomersal), Celvapan does not have either but is cultured on monkey cells and is...well, we dont know what the side effects might be and sounds ghastly. I will however be taking 4000iu of vitamin D3 which is a fantastic preventative for various winter ills including flu. From now until spring in the UK there is not enough UVB in sunlight to make vitamin D3 in the skin. There is also an interesting article from the vitamin D council (non profit) about vitamin D and autism as well as flu, but I cant post the link because I'm too new here.

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Oct 26th, 2009, 15:28 PM	#24
New2Bumps Mum (Mom) BnB Addict Join Date: May 2009 Location: England Posts: 3,839	I'm in 3rd tri and still undecided. I might not even get offered it in time! My view is this... 6 months immunity (double strength if BFing) for baby versus Possible side effects for baby I am also of the thalidamide generation (as someone said before) and my mom was nagged to take that and never did. I think that clouds my view though and I'm trying to remember that was 32 years ago... I hope that we're offered the Celvapan - that would make my decision a little easier. The USA are offering that but not the Pandemrix. I hope that as weeks go by we will get a clearer picture on this.

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Oct 26th, 2009, 15:48 PM	#25
Zarababy1 Mum (Mom) BnB Addict Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 7,647	I think If im offerd it in time, after reading quite a bit about it i will get it, I dont know i mean its a really hard choice to make but i think after reading most things i'd have to go with yes, partly because altho yes there could be risks involved with it i dont really want too risk getting it late in pregnancy and becoming very ill possibly dieing when i have a small child too think about, Too me at the moment im afraid Charlie comes first and if its going to maybe prevent me from beeing ill so im here for him then i think i'd have to go for it, for me now tho its to decided if i want him to have it or not! Really hard desisions but this thread seems too have helped me cheers x

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Oct 26th, 2009, 16:00 PM	#26
mummypeanut Pregnant (Expecting) Chat Happy BnB Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Midlands UK Posts: 1,106	The other pro i found out last weekend is that if u have the vaccine ur baby will have up to 6 months protection after its born xxx

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Oct 26th, 2009, 18:36 PM	#27
Luuluu Trying to conceive (TTC) Active BnB Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 284	More people are saying NO! I went to one of my classes tonight for pregnant women and spoke to 10 other ladies, ALL of whom said NO - they won't be getting the jab. There's some excellent info on here now. Pleeeeeease, if you decide to have the jab (as I have already said) will you post your experience about it on here? Thank you! xxx

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Oct 27th, 2009, 07:09 AM	#29
Siinead_x0 Pregnant (Expecting) Active BnB Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 57	I went for th vaccine last night.. reading these comments now are starting to scare me! I was given a leaflet by th hospital & it said that many pregnant women have had this jab in th USA & everythng was fine.. Its th same jab as th flu only a bit stronger! I dont know what to think now, but theres nothing i can do cos ive already had it :S

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Oct 27th, 2009, 08:54 AM	#30
chocomum Pregnant (Expecting) New BnB Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5	I'm nearly 30 weeks pregnant and asthmatic. I already have a toddler and keep continuously catching colds etc. And becuase my immune system isn't functioning properly due to pregnancy the symptoms are more severe than usual. So am thinking it's better to have the vaccine rather then catching swine flu. My surgery are only offering Pandemrix. I would rather have Celvepan after reading reports but don't know whether i can get this privately. I am terrified of having the jab but think if i dont take it i'll catch it.

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