becstar

We've been using our nest since she was born and she sleeps well in it. However, I recently saw this: http://community.babycenter.com/post...mby_bed_recall and it's making me worry. I can't understand though how a baby having its head against the side (which from what I understand is what happened) could be a suffocation risk, as it's just cotton which I would have thought you could breathe through?

I am concerned that Amby.com has been taken offline but the UK and Australian sites work and there's nothing on them... I also know that a poster on this site posts about this and I don't want this to get inflammatory or start something libellous but I am wondering if anyone else has heard of this and what people think?

becstar

I just found this on the Australian site:

Medical School, University of Otago, N.Z. -Carbon Dioxide Test (rebreathing) - 1993

Baby Hammock Test Results: Carbon Dioxide Testing

Hammock was tested with a mechanical model of a 3 month old infant. This model breaths warmed, humidified gas with an end expiratory plateau of 5% carbon dioxide The head of the model was placed face up, face to the side and face down in the hammock.

Results face up: There was no significant increase in inspired carbon dioxide

Results with face to the side: Not touching side material, inspired carbon dioxide rose to an average of 0.32%. Touching the material, inspired carbon dioxide rose to an average of 1.28%

Neither of these levels would be considered dangerous.

Results face down: Very variable as it was difficult to keep the model face down, without it rolling back to it's side or back.

Assessment: Pass

Overall there is minimal danger of rebreathing even if a baby rolls on to it's side against the material. We would like to see a warning on the package not to place babies in the hammock on their front (prone). Because of the design of this product we think it unlikely that a baby will roll on to the prone position or willingly sleep prone in this product


Dept of Paediatrics & Child Health
Medical School
University of Otago
Dunedin, New Zealand

delighted.mam

I wonder about this too, and why it's going on quietly/behind-the-scenes. I emailed Amby a few months ago when their website in the U.S. was still up but they weren't shipping to the U.S.; they replied that they were just redoing their instruction manual and would be shipping again soon.

After a few weeks I checked back as they had instructed, but the website was gone. I emailed again to the same address and this time the email bounced. I emailed their Australian website and they said they no longer have a distributor in the U.S.. I went to Dr. Sears' site (where I'd originally found the link to Amby) and there are no longer any links to Amby anywhere on Dr. Sears (he now recommends the Arm's Reach Co-Sleeper).

Strange!

anothersquish

There has been more than one death associated with this product I am to believe....this is what makes me wary and is why I wouldnt use one. The whole thing seems highly suspicious to me and I would take extra care if you continue to use yours...

Kota

Personally I still plan on getting and using one of these, from what I've seen the issue was that the head was lower then the feet, well, tbh, if I set up a bed for my baby and this was the case then to me it would be common sense not to let my baby sleep in it, I wouldn't sleep with my head lower then my feet, why would I allow my baby to??

The amby nest has continually passed ALL its safety inspections in both the UK., Europe and Australia and even in the USA there has still not been an official recall of them, (unlike a cot brand that has been recalled today due to a number of suffocation related deaths from its drop side)
In Australia they are routinely used (and have been for MANY years) in hospital premmie units, NCIU units and post natal wards due to the benifits of the nest and the way it works. I personallly don't believe that Internationally recognised childrens hospitals would continue using them if there was any cause for concern regarding their safety.

Obviously this is all my opinion and each to their own, but for me, I'm still very much looking forward to using one of these nests once my baby arrives.

Eala

I'm with Kota, we have no intention of stopping use of our Nest. Romilly loves it, and sleeps so well. As Kota says, I do not believe that hospitals would continue to use it, or that it would pass the UK's and Australia's safety protocols, if it was that big a risk.

Having read some more on it, it seems that since 2008, 3 babies in the USA have died whilst sleeping in an Amby nest. I haven't been able to find if this has been judged to be *because* of the nest, or not. And I'm sorry, but babies also die in cots, beds, sofas... I can't imagine how hard it is to lose a child (I tear up even thinking about it). What I don't want is the emotiveness of the situation clouding things.

Frankly, if the baby's head is significantly higher than their feet in the Amby (to the point where it can tip back), it's not been adjusted properly. There are instructions available on the Amby website, telling you how to adjust the Nest. Any product carries risks if it's not used properly - it shouldn't be "taking extra care" to ensure that you are actually using the Nest as per the instructions.

becstar

Can you post the link to that page? I can't seem to find it.

becstar

Oh I found this: http://www.nutmeglane.co.uk/docs_db/Assembly_Page_1.pdf

So Ilana is quite heavy and big (17lbish) and I have been putting her quite high up (head towards the back) as when I put her lower her head seems to be lower - but this is the opposite of what it says should happen? I am confused. I also can't work out what they mean by cinching the velcro?

Is it bad for her feet to be high (not higher than her head but maybe the same height?

becstar

Dupe post

Eala

I posted in another thread with pictures on how where the velcro is that they're talking about. Here's the link Amby hammock - why we're not sure about it - any suggestions?

Sorry, I'd post the pics again here, but am one-handed at the moment and this is easier