http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/ne...name_page.html

Any thoughts?

dont want to read and run so keeping outa this one

How fucking stupidly outragous .....

Thats annoyed me ..... WTF

Saying nothing as i always end up causing rows!

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ok seeing as someone has the same opinion as me i think its outrgous and no way should this be allowed!!! people who are desperate for children and cant afford the treatment should get this not some junkies!!!!

Half of that is fucking bullshit!! Mongy gits - We all know smoking is BAD for the health of unborn I for one am struggling to suceed but doing well in stopping 100% but its not the same as meth ... NO WAY an does not have the side effects as meth. Ever seen someone on meth whos an addict! Can't look after themselves nah mind a sodding baby ... OR TWO!

ROAR!

Say it - meth was taken after all in replace of heroin not any other reason. A heroin addict FFs. Injecting YAK .... Stupid *******s (NHS)!

Well as usual I am the sitting on the fence one. First of all they are getting treatment for their heroin use, methadone is a treatment. There are no known long term effects of methadone on a baby so if you are going to comapre it to smoking (which has been shown to have effects) I think they do make a point there. This isn't to say I am having a go at smokers, I have nothing but admiration for those who cut down and stop smoking during pregnancy, it is a difficult thing to do.

Also you don't know that they are not looking after their children. Social services are bound to be involved, they would have been contacted by the midwife. A care contract would have been drawn up and they are obviously sticking to it otherwise their children would more then likely be in care right now. And there are some people who are on methadone who can take care of a baby. I have seen it for myself, someone who found out she was pregnant, stopped using heroin but went onto methadone, has given clean tests since and has a very loving relationship with a very happy and healthy child. She has turned her life around and I have nothing but respect for her for doing so. The article says that the couple are also determined to change their lives for the better and I wish them all the luck in the world. Heroin is a horrible drug

The couple in the article say

Theres no way in hell they should have got it there's lots of couples who are decent law abiding citizens who would love to have a kid of their own but cant. They read this and it must be like a kick in the teeth.

The fact they were on methadone proves they had no intention of giving up their habit contray to popular belief methadone doesnt get junkies off of their herion habit sheer willpower does.

personally i think anyone who wants to screw their head and body up with drugs should have the right to have kids taken away if you cant look after your own well being how the hell are you gonna look after a baby.

Heroin & children don't mix.

I've seen it with my own family ... my own father & my own sister & the mother of my sister thats where my opinion comes from about a particular group of people. 'Trying' is ok suceeding is another thing & suceeding is without the need for heroin or a replacement. I've seen very little of my sister but the very little I have seen of her showed me how she is being brought up. Social services lark is a joke - they help drug addicts ... not even going to go into social services conversation I'll be here all day but have first hand experience on how they 'work'. Small example with my sister... Auntie reaches for a tea towel guess what was in that tea towel? Shes had to have injections for a year I think it was before being tested again for hepititus (sp) I think it is - Hospital know, social services know, needle was in reach of my sister had she pulled it down NOTHING done! The whole thing breaks my heart.

Seeing people trying is not quite the same as seeing someone have there meth 'fix' because it is a fix in place of 'heroin' not any other reason. I don't drool & have to sleep off my fix when I try & give up smoking so smoking & this situation is nowhere near the same.

And I didn't think they allowed people who smoked to have this fertility treatment either - Maybe I was wrong & if I am wrong I would put my hands up & say I think thats wrong too even from a smoker even with my past history where I thought I'd have to take this route ... should I have had to I don't think that should have been an option until I was down to 0 ciggys. Personally I have cut from 40 to below 10 & trying again this weekend after nearly killing my OH on last attempt of 0 (not kidding) ... Trying to stop doesn't make it right & I'd be the first to admit it - You have to succeed.

Successfully changing your life style & beating the evil drug is a challenge (wish my father would have the balls to do it) & I'd like to wish anyone ever in that situation godo luck if they can pull away from it but I'm sorry I think that should have happened 100% before fertility treatment was an option.

I have to disagree with one of your comments Valentine because I've know 2 successful ex druggies who used meth whist trying to beat the habit but I do think as you say willpower has a tad to do with it but not alot to be honest I just believe the meth replacement should have been beat before this I am not suggesting anyone who has EVER walked in the evil drug world should never have this help .. I don't think that at all .. just beat it before hand because whist on meth for that reason theres always a chance to go back ...

I will never change my opinion based on what my own eyes have seen with my own family ...