beanie

what did you mean by overdose then. I understand it as wanting them to die
- perhaps you meant something different?

You are more then entitled to have a personal opinion but it was more the way you phrased it. You don't know that anyone on here hasn't had a problem with drugs/alcohol etc in the past, or have a family member going through it, and there you are saying you wish everyone would "overdose". Its not on.

Helen

That's a good point, Trinity. Another perfect example of the postcode lottery in this country when it comes to fertility treatment. You don't get considered and they (regardless of being drug users or not) get treatment thrown at them and seemingly quickly judging by what one of them said in the article.

Fertility treatment should be available to all equally regardless of where you live, yet there was talk in the media last week about having to cut back further on funding for fertility treatment. It's really getting to the point in some places where if you want children you have to pay and how can that be right?! Why should it only be the people who can afford it?

Sorry.... gone off on a tangent with this!

Wobbles

Opinions are good actually offending someone isn't but my hands are tied or I'd be seen as taking advantage because I own BabyandBump!

Your personal opinion was to wish they all over dosed ...To be quite honest I don't take kindly to people who wish any of my family dead ... Think that sums up where you stand with me. You weren't brought down on it I spoke up to how you worded your reply & your second reply shocked me, in fact Weestar it upset me that the likes of you would wish my father dead - Coz thats what you mean & he is one of the ALL.

I just can't say anything else because of my position on this forum so I'll leave it there & won't be put in a situation from any replies to make me say what I'm thinking ...

Wobbles

It is upsetting

Through all my problem all they offered me was a few blood tests - I sat for month nearly ruining my relationship with it wondering how we would come up with thousands of pounds to get more help!

> Helen I didn't know about that Could it be cut any more than what it is in some towns. Annoys me because again our situation it's not like we both don't work but it was a lot of money to come up with the thought gave me headaches.

Layla

I have been um'ing and ah'ing about posting in this thread, and still maybe think i should of kept out but i have to say this...

Slighty off topic... my mum was addicted to vodka and it ruined my upbringing, i wished everyday for years that she was dead, but now i wish more than anything that she was alive so i could tell her that despite everything, i do love her, i never got that chance and now i have to live with it.

Death isnt something i would wish on anyone, regaurdless of the sitation.

hugs all round

Wobbles

gaby

I completely disagree with the NHS's decision to give them the treatment. The risks to the babies was high, from problems caused from taking drugs in the past let alone doing drugs while pregnant. No wonder one of them died Not only that, but (and i'm not being rude here or anything, i know this from my brother doing drugs a while back) people on drugs like that are not all that with it, especially smoking as much as those two are reportedly. And they are quite likely to smoke near the babies without a second thought. I'm sorry, but its just disgusting. She even blames previous miscarriages on the drugs for crying out loud! Perhaps the NHS didnt know, but i doubt it, as many blood tests would have been done during the process i'm sure.

If they take children away from people like that, why give them to them in the first place.

beanie

What are they smoking? And where is the evidence to suggest the baby died as a result of her taking methadone? There is no evidence to suggest that metjhadone has any long term effects on a baby??

And again you are making sweeping statements, we have a friend of the family who was able to look after three children whilst on a methadone treatment programme, and her children were perfectly healthy and happy. She has now manged to test clean from methadone for over a year now - who are you to judge her as a mother. We have sadly seen that there are those users that are unfit parents due to their drug use but you can't tar everyone with the same brush.

Wobbles

Did your friend use meth whist pregnant Beanie? Not judging just wondering

Well done to your friend though

I just find the fact they (not your friend obviously Beanie) were given fertility treatment a joke. Again my opinions come from a personal side of things I guess ... Just so hard to hold those thoughts to myself sometimes.

BTW that info is interesting.

beanie

I said earlier that I didn't think they should have been given fertility treatment, and it surprises me that it did. And I can totally empathise the frustration of those who are not being taken seriously by the health service over problems with TTC.

My friend actually took heroin for the first part of her pregnancy, then went onto methadone - it took her ages to reduce it and get clean, and yes if it hadn't been for the support of her family she may not have done it but I guess she was lucky or determined. It was just the automatic - she is an unfit mother - remark that I took offence too, very judgemental.