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Old Mar 21st, 2010, 18:08 PM   #1
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American health care bill


Can someone from the USA please explain to me why so many Americans are against Obama's health care bill? I honestly don't get what's so bad about it


 
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Old Mar 21st, 2010, 18:10 PM   #2
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is it just case of the better off not wanting to pay for poorer peoples healthcare?


 
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Old Mar 21st, 2010, 18:38 PM   #3
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i dont understand either, surely it'll be more fair? any americans care to enlighten us brits?!


 
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Old Mar 21st, 2010, 20:13 PM   #4
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*sighs* nevermind.

This is a way heated topic. Don't want to be part of it.


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Old Mar 21st, 2010, 20:39 PM   #5
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the people who can't afford it won't go to jail. What he is trying to do is make it possible for everyone to have access to healthcare and stop the health insurance companies making unreasonable and inappropriate profits/controls of peoples access to healthcare.

What many americans protest to (as far as I can tell) is a government controlled health legislation, because for some reason they are under the impression that they are 'free' of government control with the current system even though Nixon implemented a large aspect of it in order to leach money out of the public.

It's utter madness IMO. There is enough money and human resources to make a fantastic healthcare system that IS free (well, paid for by tax payers of course) but people are scared of what they don't know, of negative propaganda and unable to believe in a positive vision.

This topic really gets me going....


 
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Old Mar 21st, 2010, 20:42 PM   #6
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People are against it because the media scare people into being against it. Not enough people know what exactly is in the bill. If only people could get over themselves and do what's best for everyone so we could have FREE healthcare. But that wont happen for a long time, but at least what they are trying to pass now is a step in the right direction. But as nicholatmn said, what about those who can't afford even cheap healthcare?
Personally we pay a bit more then $300 a month straight out of DH's paychecks, and I know that if we didn't have to pay that then we would actually be able to save a bit of money up and live closer to DH's work (he has an hour and a half commute each way), so it would be amazing for us.

Also the insurance companies have lobbyists who fight against healthcare reform, these companies want to make as much money as possible, as do many doctors and hospitals. And the politicians seem to think that being right is more important then helping us, they can't agree untill the bill is so widdled down that its barely worth passing. How is it that bush got all these awful things passed but obama tries to do something that would help millions and it can't?


 
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Old Mar 21st, 2010, 20:45 PM   #7
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What many americans protest to (as far as I can tell) is a government controlled health legislation, because for some reason they are under the impression that they are 'free' of government control with the current system even though Nixon implemented a large aspect of it in order to leach money out of the public.

It's utter madness IMO. There is enough money and human resources to make a fantastic healthcare system that IS free (well, paid for by tax payers of course) but people are scared of what they don't know, of negative propaganda and unable to believe in a positive vision.

This topic really gets me going....
Seriously, what do people think medicare and medicaid is?
The topic gets me fuming too.


 
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Old Mar 21st, 2010, 20:48 PM   #8
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*sighs* nevermind.

This is a way heated topic. Don't want to be part of it.


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Old Mar 21st, 2010, 21:05 PM   #9
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nicholatmn - the blog site with the Obama interwiew quotes does not say that people who cannot afford to pay healthcare would go to jail. Obama discusses the possibility of penalty for those who can afford to pay health care but refuse to, then try to have the system pay for them when they do get sick.
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President Obama said that penalties are appropriate for people who try to “free ride” the health care system but stopped short of endorsing the threat of jail time for those who refuse to pay a fine for not having insurance.
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Under the House bill those who can afford to buy insurance and don’t’ pay a fine. If the refuse to pay that fine there’s a threat – as with a lot of tax fines – of jail time.
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Mr. Obama said penalties have to be high enough for people to not game the system, but it’s also important to not be “so punitive” that people who are having a hard time find themselves suddenly worse off, thus why hardship exemptions have been built in the legislation.

“I think the general broad principle is simply that people who are paying for their health insurance aren't subsidizing folks who simply choose not to until they get sick and then suddenly they expect free health insurance. That's -- that's basic concept of responsibility that I think most Americans abide by,” Mr. Obama said, “penalties are appropriate for people who try to free ride the system and force others to pay for their health insurance.”

The President said that he didn’t think the question over the appropriateness of possible jail time is the “biggest question” the House and Senate are facing right now.
On another note, I cannot believe the revolting behaviour that opponents of this bill are sinking to. I just listened to a radio broadcast of a crowd screaming racial slurs at black Democrats who were entering Congress. The reporter said that the crowd was mostly Tea Party members. Charming.


 
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Old Mar 21st, 2010, 21:38 PM   #10
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I'm an american and I am against it not because I don't want healthcare for everyone but more so I don't beleive the government (or ANYONE) should be allowed to tell me how and what to do with my body. It's bad enough the things they already have against us... but I must add I am a conspiracy theorist. I belieive the government has no interest in the common people and only has something to gain for themselves with this helath care reform (amongst other bills, laws, and regulations).


 
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