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Old Mar 15th, 2010, 17:10 PM   #11
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I generally like to try to see alternative points of view but I have to say that this one has me completely flummoxed! I think they sound like complete raving lunatics. They are clearly conducting some sort of bizarre psychological experiment on heir child - gender stereotyping is surely not something so worrying that parents would feel it necessary and essential to do this?
I think that the issue of "male" and "female" is abslutely fundamental to who we are as people and by messing about with it, you are potentially creating huge confusion as to identity.
To be honest, I think the authorities ought to step in.


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Old Mar 15th, 2010, 17:14 PM   #12
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Dont agree with it at all. Just seems like it has the potential to do emotional damage. Also which public toliets would they use? Imagine the stick they would get at school.


 
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Old Mar 15th, 2010, 17:17 PM   #13
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I cannot see any benefits the child will gain from this, very strange thing to do


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Old Mar 15th, 2010, 17:19 PM   #14
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madness!


 
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Old Mar 15th, 2010, 17:20 PM   #15
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madness! maybe i could keep my next boys sex a secret and make him ware a dress?


 
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Old Mar 15th, 2010, 17:53 PM   #16
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To a certain extent I see what they are doing. I believe that gender is stereotypical, and we are only 'boy' or 'girl' because we are forced to be that way as we grow up - however, I would NOT limit my daughter by making her completely gender neutral. Obviously, we refer to Tegan as a girl, call her she, her, etc etc, but she does wear mostly gender neutral clothes (either boys or girls) and will continue to do so as she grows up. I grew up in quite a limiting environment - as a gay teenager it is hard when your parents are telling you you should be in a relationship with a boy, etc etc. We aim to let Tegan make her own choices in life - if she wants to wear boys clothes, she can. If she's gay, thats fine. If she's straight, that's fine. She'll be whatever she wants to be.
I think the parents of POP are just taking the choices I am making myself a few steps further. IMO Gender isn't so much a physical thing (male or female) as an emotional thing. And I don't think gender should be as limited as it is.

That child will grow up to be completely f*cked up by the choices his/her parents made. It will likely not even know itself which gender it is meant to be. Or, maybe we'll all be shocked and it'll grow up to be an extremely emotionally balanced person who knows exactly what they want from life and who they want to be. Guess we won't know that for a few years though! It is unfair that the parents are putting such a young child through such an ordeal, however we have to remember that from a young age, the child will recognise that it has either a penis or a vagina. In that sense, it will identify with either its mother or its father, and copy them (as most children see their parents naked from time to time, etc).
Unless, the child is an hermaphrodite. That's a whole other ball game.


 
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Old Mar 16th, 2010, 03:50 AM   #17
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To a certain extent I see what they are doing. I believe that gender is stereotypical, and we are only 'boy' or 'girl' because we are forced to be that way as we grow up - however, I would NOT limit my daughter by making her completely gender neutral. Obviously, we refer to Tegan as a girl, call her she, her, etc etc, but she does wear mostly gender neutral clothes (either boys or girls) and will continue to do so as she grows up. I grew up in quite a limiting environment - as a gay teenager it is hard when your parents are telling you you should be in a relationship with a boy, etc etc. We aim to let Tegan make her own choices in life - if she wants to wear boys clothes, she can. If she's gay, thats fine. If she's straight, that's fine. She'll be whatever she wants to be.
I think the parents of POP are just taking the choices I am making myself a few steps further. IMO Gender isn't so much a physical thing (male or female) as an emotional thing. And I don't think gender should be as limited as it is.

That child will grow up to be completely f*cked up by the choices his/her parents made. It will likely not even know itself which gender it is meant to be. Or, maybe we'll all be shocked and it'll grow up to be an extremely emotionally balanced person who knows exactly what they want from life and who they want to be. Guess we won't know that for a few years though! It is unfair that the parents are putting such a young child through such an ordeal, however we have to remember that from a young age, the child will recognise that it has either a penis or a vagina. In that sense, it will identify with either its mother or its father, and copy them (as most children see their parents naked from time to time, etc).
Unless, the child is an hermaphrodite. That's a whole other ball game.
I agree that gender is emotional, not physical, hence people who feel that they should be the other gender and devote their lives to becoming that gender. This is why I think what they are doing is so damaging - messing around with such an important issue of identity is hugely dangerous. Can you imagine what will happen if a child who has ambivalent feelings about what gender they are, also then starts to wonder if they are gay, for example, or transgender? It would surely be very difficult for him/her to sort out those feelings and really understand what his/her gender and sexual preferences actually are?


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Old Mar 16th, 2010, 04:07 AM   #18
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To be fair, it doesn't say that they're not telling the child if they're a boy or a girl, all they're doing is not telling the wider community. Kaya is often mistaken for a boy when we're out and about, and I don't actually correct people because I don't think it matters. I have to say, when she's mistaken as a boy people treat her slightly differently than they do if she's wearing a dress - it's subtle, but it's there.


 
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Old Mar 16th, 2010, 05:30 AM   #19
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I dont really understand the point to keeping their gender a secret tbh and i dont think i agree with it either but...each to their own i guess!xx


 
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Old Mar 16th, 2010, 05:43 AM   #20
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I think its cruel & serves no purpose at all


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