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Old Mar 10th, 2010, 11:26 AM   #21
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Haha yes I bet you have all hated me up till now! Oh I mean't 'lady' not 'later' - see how mad I got I couldn't even type!!


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Old Mar 10th, 2010, 11:34 AM   #22
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My hands are often damaged by type rage, we have all been there!


 
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Old Mar 10th, 2010, 11:44 AM   #23
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Jeeeeez. I got v angry when I read that article, but have calmed down as she clearly only writes her tosh for exactly that response. Thank got we didn't buy a copy of the DM to read it!

Bitter old crone!

Maybe we should send her a link to this thread! Ha!


 
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Old Mar 10th, 2010, 12:42 PM   #24
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shes a crap journalist. anyone can write angry drivel.


 
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Old Mar 10th, 2010, 13:43 PM   #25
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I don't like Jan Moir's writing style at all. But I do think if you battle through the inflammatory stuff, her point is valid on this one.

The mother she refers to shouldn't use the changing room for feeding, at least not without asking first. It's not like it's a 2 minute job, and charity shops rarely have more than one changing room. Average feeding times are what - 30-60 minutes? I can understand him checking if it had been occupied for even half of that, an old dear might have died in there or something! She clearly knew it was wrong, else why be sneaky about it?

Most places will try to accommodate or suggest somewhere suitable if you explain the situation. I'm all for mothers to be able to breastfeed when they need to, but most use a bit more common sense than this lady in choosing where to do it! I have to say, that given the circumstances, I'm surprised at the amount of support this lady has received.

It's a shame Jan Moir can't seem to get her point across without being so offensive.
I'm with Blahblahblah on this one. The article is an unpleasant stream of invective. But it has a thread of truth running through it. In my area an awful lot of other mothers do seem to have decided that having children exempts them from normal courteous behaviour. I offered to help a mother who seemed to be struggling with a folded buggy on a bus the other day - mainly because she kept dropping it on a pram containing a very new baby whose mother was clearly getting distressed but wasn't saying anything. She shoved the buggy at me without thanking me and I spent some time making sure it was propped up so it wouldn't fall at which point she leapt from her seat and snapped at me "I thought you were going to put it up for me" before dragging it past my shins and slamming it up. I pointed out that I had assumed she would leave it folded since another pram had just got onto the bus whereupon she said "she'll have to wait" so the other mother had to get back off! Can I point out that I was carrying my own baby on my back while this went on. This type of thing is incredibly common round me - there seems to be a real "sod you" attitude, mainly among middle-class mothers. It annoys me as it makes people less considerate towards the rest of us.
I have said in another thread that I am a bit cynical about the Mind story but in any event, while 100% supporting womens' right to breastfeed wherever and whenever necessary, I still think that normal courtesy and consideration must apply. A changing room is not the most considerate place to breastfeed or formula feed for that matter and I don't see why she is calling for a policy change. I think that by turning this incident into a crusade as she seems to want to do, she is actually damaging the drive to ensure that BF mothers are not discriminated against.
I go to a small sewing shop regularly and I was present when they had difficulties with a woman who decided that a good place to BF was in the middle of the aisle in the shop which meant that no-one could pass by. She also behaved in a way which made me think that she was seeking a reaction - she stood facing the main part of the shop and lifted her top completely exposing her entire chest. The young male member of staff who is a lovely guy went straight over and offered her the use of their staffroom. She went mad and said she didn't have to hide away - he pointed out that she was preventing access to part of the shop as the customers were mainly elderly ladies who were uncomfortable about squeezing past her while she was feeding the baby - she refused to move and eventually the shop owner had to come and tell her that she needed to accept their offer of a comfortable and private place to feed or they would have to ask her to leave as it wasn't practical for her to feed while standing in the aisle. I felt incredibly sorry for the staff since they clearly didn't want to discriminate but it simply wasnt appropriate or necessary for her to feed as she did. I made use of their staffroom on one occasion - there was no reason why she couldn't have done the same.
I think we all have to be careful that by asserting our "right" to do something baby-related, we don't overlook the fact that we still need to show courtesy and consideration for the rest of society.
The article was unpleasant and spiteul but there is a valid point in there - it's a pity a better journalist didn't take the point!


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Old Mar 10th, 2010, 15:11 PM   #26
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I absolutely agree with Kit. Jan Moir does speak a lot of truth but the tone and manner in which she said it was bitter and there was no need for it.


 
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Old Mar 10th, 2010, 15:29 PM   #27
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Never read the mail and before the Stephen Gately uproar I'd never even heard of her but gosh, it sure is nice to be pidgeon-holed isn't it! The woman clearly has a very definate opinion on "mothers" and she's not afraid to stereotype. In the 5 weeks I've been a mummy I don't think I've ever rammed my buggy into someones heels and I've never sat in a coffee shop for six hours sharing morsals of muffin and modest sips of a latte with six other mums, but of course I'm only five weeks in, there's still time
Saying that, I don't recall ever having had my own ankles rammed with a buggy so I reckon she's just seriously pissed off some mummy's if that's the opinion she's formed
Have to say though it's never crossed my mind to go into a changing room to feed xx


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Old Mar 10th, 2010, 15:58 PM   #28
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*yawn* silly odious woman. Out for the shock factor yet again, since she is never going to bowl anyone over with her amazing journalistic skills.


 
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Old Mar 10th, 2010, 16:00 PM   #29
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I always forget that Jan is actually a female name in the english speaking world. I wonder why that is . Anyway, I think a debate about breast feeding or not in public is ridiculous. I can't remeber hearding a debate about breastfeeding in public on Germany but maybe have a blind eye for it? .


 
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Old Mar 10th, 2010, 16:05 PM   #30
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daily mail have some nerve anyway.. ill give them that. I've seen so much of them on bnb lately, its unreal


 
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