I didn't mean until they are sick and gasping for breathe
I did mean more for night time/bedtime when you know its a whinge not a pain/discomfort.
Everyone has thir own ways (seen a debate on his before) but your Qs at the end Kina are good ones.
To me its getting to know the dif between own way/fighting sleep & discomfort & personally think 10 minutes max is more than enough. Learning baby to know when its 'bedtime'.
Tanrums are a different ball game & are down to giving child heir own way which I doubt parents do?
So the views on both would be interesting - may change origanal post,