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Old Feb 18th, 2010, 17:10 PM   #11
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I was 'strongly recommended' to have an elective section... which I think mans if I had absolutely insisted they would have let me try but would have whisked me into theater at the slightest hint of complication with an 'I told you so' look...

They train a long time to do what they do, so if they tell me the best thing for the baby is c-section, I am not going to argue.

I'd be a bit worried if I only found out he was breech when he was half way out though - I am glad we found out beforehand so we could be fully prepared for a safe delivery...


 
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Old Feb 18th, 2010, 17:17 PM   #12
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My son was an undiagnosed breech (Frank's breech). I was planning a homebirth, but as soon as the midwife discovered he was breech, she rushed me off to the hospital. Where I live, I guess its against the law for midwives to deliver a breech baby. I was already in transition, and by the time I got to the hospital I was already +3. Fortunately, they could not do a C-section on me because of this. There were no complications other than having to have stitches thanks to the doctor keeping her hand there while my son was coming out! (Stupid doctor!) And then, after he was delivered, they gave me Pitocin for the third stage, even though I explicitly told them not to!

Anywho, anyone else here have a breech baby naturally?
my mother in law and her daughter had cerebal palsy because she was breech they keep hand up to pevent this as legs can be any where and its safer i hope all is well
My understanding is that the current evidence suggests a hands off approach to a natural breech birth. Midwives experienced in Breech birth certainly practice in this way here. Research also now suggests few babies who experience perinatal asphyxia grow to have cerebral palsy. Birth complications are only thought to account for a small number of babies born with congenital cerebral palsy, with cerebral palsy thought to make breech birth more common rather than breech birth causing cerebral palsy.

ETA: Silver-penny, giving any injection here without consent would also be considered assault and a breach of nurse/midwifes code of conduct That's appalling.
your understanding must be right then when i filled in my sheet at book it appointment and said about sis an law having cerbral palsy they said was it caused though a breech delivery i said yes and the midwife said we won't add that then but hay you obviously know more about it than i do


 
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Old Feb 18th, 2010, 17:41 PM   #13
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ETA: Silver-penny, giving any injection here without consent would also be considered assault and a breach of nurse/midwifes code of conduct That's appalling.
It is here too, but I have no way of prosecuting, as there was "no damage" caused by it. Of course, in their haste to get me out of their hair, the ob tugged on the cord and they gave me the pitocin after me yelling at them not to. I bled for an entire 6 weeks afterwards. There is no record of this, as I never went back to the hospital.

And the reason that doctors go for the c-section isn't necessarily because its safer for the baby. Do you realise how much money they make off of it? Not to mention the fact that they are not likely trained on how to handle a natural breech birth. This is one reason why I didnt want to go to the hospital in the first place. They are trained to "treat" and not "prevent."

Dont get me wrong, I have the utmost respect for doctors. They are usually very good at what they do. In addition, I believe that every woman has the right to birth in the way that she believes safest. If that means you believe that having an elective section for a breech baby, I have no problem with that. But please don't say that I put my baby at risk just because I had him naturally. I did what I thought best and safest for him. If I could do it over, though, I would have refused to go to the hospital just because he was breech.My midwife was just too scared of losing her license. This time around, I am not going to let anyone push me around and tell me what I need or need not do. If there is an emergency, I would happily go to the hospital, but I do not see that breech presentation in and of itself is an emergency.


 
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Old Feb 18th, 2010, 17:47 PM   #14
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My son was an undiagnosed breech (Frank's breech). I was planning a homebirth, but as soon as the midwife discovered he was breech, she rushed me off to the hospital. Where I live, I guess its against the law for midwives to deliver a breech baby. I was already in transition, and by the time I got to the hospital I was already +3. Fortunately, they could not do a C-section on me because of this. There were no complications other than having to have stitches thanks to the doctor keeping her hand there while my son was coming out! (Stupid doctor!) And then, after he was delivered, they gave me Pitocin for the third stage, even though I explicitly told them not to!

Anywho, anyone else here have a breech baby naturally?
my mother in law and her daughter had cerebal palsy because she was breech they keep hand up to pevent this as legs can be any where and its safer i hope all is well
My understanding is that the current evidence suggests a hands off approach to a natural breech birth. Midwives experienced in Breech birth certainly practice in this way here. Research also now suggests few babies who experience perinatal asphyxia grow to have cerebral palsy. Birth complications are only thought to account for a small number of babies born with congenital cerebral palsy, with cerebral palsy thought to make breech birth more common rather than breech birth causing cerebral palsy.

ETA: Silver-penny, giving any injection here without consent would also be considered assault and a breach of nurse/midwifes code of conduct That's appalling.
your understanding must be right then when i filled in my sheet at book it appointment and said about sis an law having cerbral palsy they said was it caused though a breech delivery i said yes and the midwife said we won't add that then but hay you obviously know more about it than i do
Why defensive?
I never said you were wrong or that I knew more than you. I simply offered the other side of the coin. It isn't uncommon for health professionals views to differ depending on their assessment of the evidence and the individual situation.
There is some interesting midwifery research on breech birth by eminent midwives and health professionals which advocates hands off deliver and on cerebral palsy causes by ninds researchers that I happen to have come across and found interesting.
I'm sorry if pointing out some recent research suggestions that I thought was of interest and relevant to the discussion, offends you. You also seem to have missed this part of my post
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Birth complications are only thought to account for a small number of babies born with congenital cerebral palsy
, i.e: not suggesting that your sis in laws CP WASN'T caused by her delivery. Simply that it appears to be a smaller number than previously thought.


 
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Old Feb 18th, 2010, 17:57 PM   #15
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ETA: Silver-penny, giving any injection here without consent would also be considered assault and a breach of nurse/midwifes code of conduct That's appalling.
It is here too, but I have no way of prosecuting, as there was "no damage" caused by it. Of course, in their haste to get me out of their hair, the ob tugged on the cord and they gave me the pitocin after me yelling at them not to. I bled for an entire 6 weeks afterwards. There is no record of this, as I never went back to the hospital.
I have no idea why any health professional would think it was ok to disregard a patients wishes like that.


 
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