Well, the crying turned into shreiking so I went to check her and OMG the pout that I got when I got in there!! I picked her p and she clung to me for dear life, then ate my neck so she was obv taking the piss when refusing to finish her bottle before. She had the rest of that - burped, bum changed etc then back in bed(we didnt take her out our room) and she was grumbly so puther to sleep on her side and rubbed her back then left her looking at her mousekins and she was asleep in 5 mins.

BUT She woke up again 20 mins later and wouldnt settle so she ended up inher bouncer where she instantly went to sleep.
We are finding that she will not put her self to sleep if she is lying down flat, she has never ever liked it.
We are going to try again tonight but at about 8pm. Thing is that she will be wide awake, yabbering and chirping then its like BAM, overtired, rubbing eyes, big yawns and girning. No in between or subtle signs. So we are going to see if we put her down when she is yapping she might amuse herself to sleep?

I think the recommendation for any controlled crying is 6 months. You say she doesn't like sleeping flat - have you considered a cot wedge? All young babies have some degree of reflux and she might be more comfortable if she's not completely flat - I had a similar prob with my LO when he was small and having a cot wedge really helped.

I'll leave her to it if she's just whinging, and she'll fall asleep on her own within 10-15mins. If she's proper crying, then I comfort her, but it comes to a point where I do just have to get up and leave the room. Obviously I wouldn't leave her in there crying for hours, but with my LO there's only so much you can do, she doesn't like being cuddled, and if I'm there she'll end up smiling at me and wanting to play.
It's not nice but it's got us to where we are now.

I found Maia was similar - couldn't get her to sleep for anything in the world - no amoung of swaddling, shhing, patting, swinging, or sucking would do. Then one day I read a book called "The Happiest Baby on the Block" and it gave me what was the key for my little girl - holding her on her side! So now I hold her in one arm, with her head in the crook of my elbow. I swaddle her with a velcro'd blanket so she can't wriggle out, and I swing (or "spin") from side to side and she is quiet within 5 minutes. Then I'll hold her in that position for another 5 minutes, then put her down and she goes to sleep. If she cries once down, it's usually because her flailing arms have woken her (they ALWAYS get out of the swaddle), so I will firmly hold them to her chest. She also doesn't like to go to sleep without us in the room ( I guess being alone is scary for a baby, so part of their animal brain won't really let them relax if a parent isn't in the room with them), so I will sit with her for a little while - until I hear her breathing become slow and steady. I just read a book by headlamp. I read somewhere that it takes babies up to 20 minutes to fall into a true sleep.

Hope there are some tips in there that help you! When I let her CIO, I usually do so while I am in the room with her (so she learns that I am there for her, but can't help her sometimes), or with her in the sling. Now, she calms down when I put her in the sling, and usually falls asleep in it!

Good luck!

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I am not comfy letting a tiny baby CIO.

I read this article and her sources and find it very compelling:

http://www.phdinparenting.com/2009/0...or-weissbluth/

I don't agree with cry it out but do controlled crying with Aisling. If she's really screaming I won't leave her before going in but if she's just moaning I'll always try to let her settle herself for a while. Funnily enough, the last few times she's been really screaming, I've gone in to her and she's just kept screaming despite my picking her up and then trying to soothe her in her cot. I eventually gave up after 15 minutes and left the room - she was asleep 2 minutes after being left on her own?!

Well we are trying it again tonight. So far ever time I have left the room she has screamed. 1st was a genuine burp. Second I winded her for 5 mins and nothing so I gave her some gripe water and setted her again. I have literally justleft her again and she is screaming. She isnt hungry as tried the bottle. She jsut doesnt want to be next door.

Thing is that I think she is disturbing my upstairs neighbour as I hear her begin banging about loudly when Emma cries . Doesnt help that OH is sound asleep on the sofa and my head is killing me - So I am having to yet again see to her all by myself .

Sometimes I wish I was a single parent as then I would have LESS hassle - as less other persons washing/cleaning up behind/food making!! I would have MORE time form to!

it s 2 am here Maya has been up since 12 am have fed and changed her, but she wouldn t sleep.
she s being crying non stop very very loudly, i had the lights off in the room and i turned them on few minutes ago and she seems to have stopped.
do other babies cry this much before sleeping? with us it s usually around 2 hours before she falls asleep, even if she s almost sleeping when she s being fed

I'm afraid I find it all rather anecdotal and judgemental. She gives no evidence that it is damaging in any way, in fact one link is about "no proof of the safety of cry it out or any real understanding of the long-term consequences." But she gives no proof it is unsafe either.

And yet she does recommend co-sleeping as an alternative - which has been linked to babies' deaths and in some cases is directly attributed. Have any babies died from CIO or controlled crying? Can there be problems with then transferring older babies into their own sleeping environment?

Her entire "ethos" is purely based on opinion and not fact. If it works for some and not for others, then it is up to those individuals. I would never ever co-sleep with Abby as I feel the risks are higher. But that doesn't mean I think others shouldn't do it.