DaisyDuke TTC journal, Should have gone to specsavers............

Well i thought it was time i started my own journal.

This is CD1 of TTC cycle 4. AF arrived today, i now know i have a short LP of 8 days :hissy: I'm taking action, any advice on how to lengthen it would be great.

Been to holland and barretts today and picked up B100 vitamin B complex and B6. The guy told me i don't need both as there is 100mg of B6 in the complex. Ordered my pre seed , phoning docs in the morning for an appoitment. Also phoning clear blue, who told me to call if my next cycle was between 21 and something days, if they have any left i can be on the trial Bought 2 bottles of Cabernet Sauvingnon and some clothes while i was out to cheer myself up. I'm enjoying a glass now, yum.

I just realised that if all goes well this cycle bubs will be born at the end of May, i was so upset thinking i had missed May, cos we always wanted a May baby. DH and i are May babies, and we got married in May so it's an uber special month, which i hope to make more special next year.

Thanks for looking in on my journal, and good luck with getting ur :bfp:

Hey you, good luck my dear and welcome to the world of journals!!! x

Hey you, good luck my dear and welcome to the world of journals!!! x

Thank you. :hugs:

Hi Daisy, just wanted to say well done on taking action lets hope that this month is your BFP! massive hugs and tonnes of luck I look forward to seeing how your month goes xxxx

hey hunie,

i know ur sleeping but its only 10:18 pm here.. going to bed in a little, wanted to write in here ;) goodluck this month sweetie, and im here for u ;) maybe if AF doesnt get me tomorrow we will be cycle buddies next month, but i really want the BFP i know u do also, and u have it nailed, pre seed, b6, get some instead cups also, i;'ll explain later cause i know ur gonna ask :) lol, theres a forum with the link inside, so take a peek

goodnight hun, talk to u tomorrow

lola and TrixieLox were cycle buddies :happydance:

snowbrdbella8 you better be on your way to first tri this week :happydance: thanks for all ur words of support, snowbrdbella8 yeah let me know what them cups are.

XXX

Right so :witch: has well and truely set up camp :hissy: can't wait to get rid of her so i can get closer to my :bfp:

I have a doctors appoitment today at 4, so i'm going to go armed with info and a print out of my charts, hope they take me seriosuly. Will be back later with an update.

:hug:

XXX

Sorry to hear that you got your AF, but heres hoping we get our BFP in September!

Right i'm back, the doctor was wonderful. She is sending me for a CD21 test and hubby to have his sperm tested (not sure how he is going to take that). She says they will test me this cycle and if needs be next and then if needed refer me to a fertility specialist. I'm just so pleased she is taking me seriously :happydance:

Hi Daisy!

Welcome to the journals -- it's nice to see you in this section!

I hope you get yr May baby hun -- I am also a May baby and like you would love to have a little one born in the same month.

:hug:

Yaya xx

Hi Daisy!

Welcome to the journals -- it's nice to see you in this section!

I hope you get yr May baby hun -- I am also a May baby and like you would love to have a little one born in the same month.

:hug:

Yaya xx

Such a lovely month, hope we both get May 09 babies :happydance:

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check it out girl :) i have to go to a dr apt talk to u later ok ;)

Hi girls, well still trying to be positive. DH was in a foul mood last night barely spoke to me, i'm sure it's the thought of the sperm test, but he says it isn't. Anyway he apologised this morning, so hopefully things are good now. Not much else to report so far today. Think :witch: is packing her bags to leave :happydance: and my pre seed arrived today :yipee:

Well looks like :witch: has left the building, now i just hope to not see her for 9 months :yippee: back to :sex: every other day as of tomorrow. X

Hi well AF is still here even tho her cases are backed (just spotting) booked my CD21 test today for the 2nd September. DH is off to the doctors today, so hoping he will agree to test his spermies like my doctor asked for. Fingers crossed, will update later, if he disagrees i may have a very long rant :hissy: his doctor is rubbish so i'm a little worried. XXX

Hi honey... let's hope DH is willing to part with his little army :spermy: lol

I'm in it with you for a May Baby honey... here's to our Sep :bfp: xxx

Zoebunny i hope so more than anything. I genuinly want this more than i have ever wanted anythign in my life :hugs:

Daisy, I hope you get your :bfp: this cycle!

:dust: :dust:

Zoebunny i hope so more than anything. I genuinly want this more than i have ever wanted anythign in my life :hugs:

Me too hun :friends: xx

Good news, his doctor agreed. Just BD to freshens his swimmers up, as it been about 9 days cos of TWW e.t.c. Going to ring tomorrow and hopefully we can do a sample on friday morning and take that down, if not we will do it monday. Hope that gives us plenty of time before i get near O would hate to be abstaining at such a crucial time and miss the eggie. X

yayay :) im happy for u huni

So i think AF has left, so were back waiting to O :happy: DH is having his swimmers checked on Tuesday so we can DTD till Saturday night then have to wait untill Tuesday night. Hopefully it will be perfect timing to start BD for O. X

Good luck this cycle!
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Thanks babe, the picture really made me smile. Can't wait for the :dust: to get her. Hope u get ur :bfp: to :dust: :hugs:

ur gonna get a BFP :) i know it!!!

Hi girls, hope ur all ok?

Not been on much for a few days, been busy over the bank holiday with a wedding and a leaving party (some friends off to Oz, lucky sods).

So all is good here, just ordered another lot of pre seed so we can use it everytime from now untill O. I'm hoping to O at the end of this week begining of next.

Took DH sperm to the hospital today, in my cleavage :rofl: apaprently we have to wait 2 weeks for the results which is annoying as you know they have to test it there and then. Will get DH to call his Dr on friday to see if they have the results.

So were gonna be getting lots of :sex: in and hopefully catch that eggie so there will be no need for anymore tests. Also i think my cervix is on the move up :yipee:

catch that egg daisy! Just had a look-see thru ur journal and wanted to wish you all the best for your May baby :)

hey girl :) good luck this cycle, hope u get ur BFP!

Hello!

Just dropping by with some :dust:

:hugs:
TT's
xxx

Thanks, some :dust: for u to. XXX

Hi DaisyDuke just popping in to say hello and wish you luck for your cycle!

Did the hospital tell you to not worry if your hubby's test comes back with abnormalities. They say that sometimes men have to do a second test as they don't get too excited by the little plastic cup and so the swimmers don't play game! Hope all is ok for you guys and you get the little eggy this month! xx

No, the hospital told me nothing, and his doctor didn't say anything like that either, but his doctor is rubbish didn't even tell him how old or new they need to be, i had to call and ask. Thanks. X

Hi Daisy, just popping in with some :dust: :dust:

No, the hospital told me nothing, and his doctor didn't say anything like that either, but his doctor is rubbish didn't even tell him how old or new they need to be, i had to call and ask. Thanks. X

That's pants, they just think it is something they do every day and don't realise we need it explained.

You probably know this but thought if you don't it might help: The male sperm tests need to be carried out within an hour of them being produced and they need to be kept at body temperature until handing them over. If you are called back for second tests they will be taken 12 weeks after the first ones, they say it takes that long to produce a completely new batch. We are still waiting for our second sample drop.

Not too great to see all these docs are adding to our worries, and they tell us to de-stress and not think about things.

all the best for this cycle xxxx

Well one hospital said they need it within 1 hour and didnt mention about keeping it warm (but they didn't have a slot for weeks) so i phoned another and the other said within 2 hours and try to keep it warm. So it was produced just gone 9:30 and i kept it warm till handing it over at 10:15 they put it in some metal things, will that help keep it warm? It was meant to be there for 10:30 (that was the official time) so i hope they didn't let it sit there for ages going cold. Do you think that will be ok. XXX

Hi Honey, just checking in on you cycle buddy!

Sorry I can help on the :spermy: front... although I guess you should 'assume' that the hospital know what they are doing (hard I know). If the results are inconclusive it could be that the standing time was too long for the little tadpoles and get another batch tested.

Sending you oodles of :dust:
xx

Well one hospital said they need it within 1 hour and didnt mention about keeping it warm (but they didn't have a slot for weeks) so i phoned another and the other said within 2 hours and try to keep it warm. So it was produced just gone 9:30 and i kept it warm till handing it over at 10:15 they put it in some metal things, will that help keep it warm? It was meant to be there for 10:30 (that was the official time) so i hope they didn't let it sit there for ages going cold. Do you think that will be ok. XXX

sounds fine! you would think as it has to be tested that day they could tell you the results sooner! I supose i'm just impatient we live in such a right now society I hate things being slow.

:hugs:

I know, guess i'll just have to wait for the results :hissy:

Well today is CD11 and im ashamed to say my PMA has left the building, just been to buy some angus cactus and EPO just in case it may make any difference this far into my cycle. Am i right in thinking i should stop taking these after O?

I have noticed my temps being mad the cycle, there normally very stable untill O. I'm hoping this has something to do with the B6 maybe making my hormones work better and temporarily sending them wild, i don't really care as long as it results in a :BFP:

XXX

Daisy, I'm sorry I don't have any answers for you but wanted to wish you all the best. :dust: :dust:

Started on the :sex: in the countdown to ovualtion tonight :yipee: well i was using my pre seed and noticed a load of EWCM :yipee: come on eggie :dance:

:wave: Hiya Daisy! Didn't know you had a journal chick - just chanced upon it! Good luck with the SA results and YAY! for ewcm! Hoorah! I'm still waiting for the goo. Good luck chick! xxxx

Hi baby, i decided to start a journal on CD1. I hope ur EWCM is only a few days away, how longs ur cycle when do u normally O? X

:happydance: EWCM :happydance:

Swim sperm, swim for your life! the champion gets the massive eggy!

thought some PMA for the sperm might help them along as well :rofl:

fingers crossed for you for this cycle xxx

Hi baby, i decided to start a journal on CD1. I hope ur EWCM is only a few days away, how longs ur cycle when do u normally O? X

Hey hun! Went to the loo after I wrote my last post and I have the stretchy watery stuff, so i think the goo will be here shortly! :rofl: My cycles are 26days average - o is anything from day 12-16 so hoping from Saturday! xxxx

Where is your temp for today chick? Hoping to see ov on your chart! :hugs::hugs:

Thanks 'still waiting' motivational speaking for the sperm, what a good idea :yipee: Hi Magic, my temp is up now, i think O will be in a few days, normally around CD15, maybe we will O on the same day again :dance:

Just dropping off my daily dose of :dust: :dust: How are you doing today?

Just looked at my chart from last cycle and my first day of EWCM way on CD11 to and i got a faint line on an O test CD12 which i got today :happydance: hopefully i will get the darker line tomorrow and then CD14 a postive O test then O on Sunday :dance: i just hope we catch the eggie this time. I started getting very emotional about it all as of yesterday, i had trouble sleeping worrying about the dissapointment again. The worst thing is i know the stress of worrying wont help it's all so frustrating, even just had a cry to my mum about it all. I was so positive till CD11 aswell. XXX

Just dropping off my daily dose of :dust: :dust: How are you doing today?

Thanks hunni love my daily does of :dust: from u. Here some back for u :dust: :hugs:

Awww you're so sweet! :hugs: Thank you! We're almost at Friday! :happydance:

Just looked at my chart from last cycle and my first day of EWCM way on CD11 to and i got a faint line on an O test CD12 which i got today :happydance: hopefully i will get the darker line tomorrow and then CD14 a postive O test then O on Sunday :dance: i just hope we catch the eggie this time. I started getting very emotional about it all as of yesterday, i had trouble sleeping worrying about the dissapointment again. The worst thing is i know the stress of worrying wont help it's all so frustrating, even just had a cry to my mum about it all. I was so positive till CD11 aswell. XXX

Oh I hope we o on the same day again cycle bud! :hugs: It's hard not to get stressed honey - it would be hard enough without the fact that biologically our hormones mess with our heads, but we have to deal with a stressful and difficult time AND cope with these damn stupid hormones. I think it is a design flaw. Shame we can't get our money back! :rofl:

:hug:

DH and my mum and dad have just added a load more stress to the situation. DH and i have our own business and one of our best customer has just announced there leaving us, were currently panicking trying to save them.

Then my mum and dad annouce there about to book a holiday for Saturday, which means i'm left with looking after all the horses and my mum's in particular is really old, so i worry like hell about him when there away. That also means i will be up at more random times cos there is so much to do on a morning, so my temps wont be stable. That also means they wont fly back till the following Saturday, and on the Saturday they get back my uncle and his wife are coming down (invited by my mum and dad to stay with them) so now they may have to stay at ours. Guess what, she's pregnant, i'm so happy for them and want to see them but i will be in the TWW then and AF will be due the day after they arrive cos of my short luteal phase, so i could really do with not being saturated with it all. Honestly i feel like breaking down, right now i can't cope :cry: :cry: :cry:

Sorry wanted another rant. I can't beleive how incredibly low i feel Af may as well of hit me that is how positive i am it isn't going to happen this cycle. I can't bear all this dissapointment, what on earth is wrong with me. Sorry for going on, but it does feel nice to get it out. XXX

Daisy I'm so sorry you're still feeling like crap hun. :hugs: :hugs:

Honey, I'm feeling low too (different reasons) so might not be of too much help today... but wanted you to know you are not alone :friends:

Think about it this way 'if' we miss out this cycle, we'll both be here together for the next one to look after each other! It WILL happen!! I know it, deep down in my heart... and I know it will for you too :hugs:

xx

Thanks ZoeBunny sorry ur feeling rubbish to. I'm so scared cos i genuinly don't know if it will for me. I am so stressed now about my temps not being accurate cos as of saturday everything is being turned upside down for me now, and all the extra stress i could just really do without it. I'm so mad at my mum and dad they know what i'm going thro, also will probably be getting DH test results back while there away, so would have been nice t have some support. I feel so let down by them.

Their timing isn't great admittedly, but I'm sure if they knew how upset you'd be beforehand they wouldn't have booked it for that week. I'm sure you will still have your DH's support.

As for the temp timings issue, try not to let it get you down. I usually have to get up around 3:30am most mornings to put the dog out for a wee. Since we both work he sometimes doesn't drink any of his water in the daytime (I think in case he needs to pee) and then when we get home he can drink 2 whole bowls full. So nature takes its course and my sleep routine is ruined. I normally get up at 5:45 for work and temp then. If you haven't had enough rest when you temp tick the 'sleep deprived' button in the symptoms section on FF so it will know that your temp might be inaccurate.

Most of all, try not to stress yourself out too much. Easier said than done I know :hugs:

They booked it less than an hour ago :rofl: they really are that selfish, i even cried when my mum said they are thinking of it about 30 mins before they booked it. They genuinly don't care.

Ur so right i really need to relaz and let go, thanks for the support i really do appreciate it. :hugs:

Hey hun, U have got to hold ur head up high and think POSITIVE!! You havent ov'd yet so there's no reason to give in yet hun!!! We all know what ur going thru, but you are doing everything right hun, it WILL happen for you just keep going. Just think how amazing its gonna be when u do get ur BFP, u be so ecstatic and will mean so much after all the waiting. Thats how i try to look at it...altho theres stilll days when i get all negative, just have to give myself a slap!! Love me xxx

Aww Daisy! :hugs::hugs: Hate to see you feeling so low chicken. Listen hun, don't worry about your temps too much. I mean, it's not actually gonna stop you ovulating, you might just not be able to pin ov down so easily, but that's not so terrible is it? Take your temps when you can, and if your chart looks screwy, screw it! Go by your body - watch your cm - that's not going to be affected by early rising. I know it's a toughie and I can understand you being really angry at your folks, but if there's nothing you can do to change the situation, try to find something about it which is a positive. May be it will be enjoyable looking after the horses in the early morning when no one else is about -? May be you will have a bit of me-time to ponder stuff and sort your head out a bit? Just trying to find something good out of this :hugs: feel free to slap me! And, you know what, you can cope, and you can do a damn good job of it! You are a strong lady chick and you'll get through it. Roll on Monday eh? :hugs::hugs::hugs: xxxxx

Well i've decided to leave work early today and take my horse out, hopefully clear my head and feel more positive, normally works. Thanks girls for all ur kind words and support, it means a lots. :hugs:

Sounds like a great idea Daisy :thumbup:
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Hopefully i will be back on later pushing the PMA. XXX

Hi Daisy! How are u today hun? xxxx

Just popped in to see if you are feeling a little better today... :hugs:

Hi babe, a little thanks, things went from bad to worse yesterday, so today has to be a bit better. How about you? I have asked DH to call his Dr to see if his results are in. XXX

I'm feeling great today thanks (pop in my journal for full run down)
so sending some PMA to you :hugs: I'm sure today will be better
Fx your DH gets his results xx

I just spoke to him and he still hasn't called, he keeps makign excuses. :hissy:

typical man!! :hissy:
x

I just called them and there not in :hissy:

ARRGGGHHHH :hissy:
Oh well, I guess that gets your DH off the hook :thumbup:

Thanks for writing in my journal xx

Yeah he is in a right lady strop today tho :rofl:

Ah hun waiting for answers and stroppy men, you need chocolate and someone elses credit card! xxx

What a good idea :yipee: it's all looking good to O on Sunday which is fab timing to get plenty of :sex: in over the weekend :dance:

Yippie O on sunday lots of :sex: all weekend so :spermy: will be ready for catching the eggy! :happydance: Time to take the phone off the hook and make your mans :headspin: :rofl::rofl:

LOVE IT :rofl:

Have a great weekend, Daisy!
:dust: :dust:

Good luck with the results chick! And yay to Ov at the weekend - let's synchronise watches! :rofl::rofl:

Hoping you're having a good weekend!

Dropping of :hug: and :dust:

Morning girls, well i'm officially full of PMA got my positive O test (see pic) :happydance: happened at exactly the same time as my last cycle, which must been my body is settling down after the rancid pill. So all i need now is a :bfp: I have been taking my B6 since CD1 in the desperate hope to lenthen my pathetic 8 day LP and angus cactus and EPO since CD11, should i stop taking any of these after o? So even if i don't get my :bfp: in will be some comfort if my LP lenthens. Perfect timing of O this cycle over the weekend to get in plenty of relaxed :sex: Hope all my girls are doing well? XXX

Heya Daisy! I thought I'd check how ur doing? Good news on the positive O test, really great! Glad ur feeling more positive now. Im still in the waiting game...got lots of creamy, lotion CM today which ive never had, so hope that means something good!! Have a wicked weekend hun.....BFP's here we come! xxx

Looking good babe, hope u get ur :bfp: in a few days, i'll follow u into first tri about a week later :dance:

I have been using pre seed EVERY time to for the first time this cycle, and will continue with it all weekend, so i'm sure i will see my :bfp: in less than 2 weeks :dance:

Yey, thats what i like to hear, lets say a little prayer tonigt tho, so that it definately happens!!! xx

Yey, thats what i like to hear, lets say a little prayer tonigt tho, so that it definately happens!!! xx

Good plan. :hugs:

Hiya Daisy! Still on schedule for a Sunday Ov then! I'm hoping to either today or tomorrow too! xxx

Hiya Daisy! Still on schedule for a Sunday Ov then! I'm hoping to either today or tomorrow too! xxx

:yipee: cycle buddies again let's hope this time we get to be bump buddies :dance:

:wohoo: Daisy got a + :wohoo:

GET MAKING BABIES HONEY!!!!!! :sex:

I'll be right behind you (not literally of course!!)
Z xx

I tested again about an hour ago and it was even darker, so tomorrow is the big day the day my baby starts growing :dance: Zoebunny, pamper urself for the arrival of DH tomorrow also know as sperm :rofl:

We better be tri buddies tooo :) lol but i dont ovulate for like another 9 days.. hopefully sooner tho, and not later

Daisy, good luck catching that eggy! Swim :spermy: Swim!
:dust: :dust:

Get the eggy :spermy: and send DaisyDuke off to 1st tri with her :bfp: xxx

Thanks girls, well had my usual temp dip this morning that i get on the day of O. So now juist waiting for my 3 temp rises then if :witch: stays away my :bfp: :yipee: Having my CD21 bloods done on Tuesday, i have to have them early cos my cycle isn't 28 days.

How is everyone today?

XXX

Hi daisy

Wishing lots of luck for this cycle!!!

Hi Daisy my cycle bud! Oving today then? I hope me too! xxx

Just been making our baby :sex: i was so good lay there for over 30 mins with a pillow under my bum to help them all on there way. Should be half way to my eggie now :yipee:

As a reward for being so good i'm making DH roast lamb tonight and home made apple and blackberry pie, i picked the blackberry's myself while me horses were eating there breakfast, so i feel uber wifey like right now.

Can't wait for my eggie to be fertilised and grow into my gorgeous baby :yipee:

Awwww...Daisy, you sound like a fairy tale :cloud9:

I'm sat here picturing a lovely quaint little counntry cottage with you fastening your bonnet and going skipping through the fields picking berrys then coming home to your kitchen and cooking...what a nice image :hugs:

Really hope you caught that egg honey :hugs:

Morning honey... hope you caught that eggy honey!!!

Keep on :sex: just in case :dust:
xx

Awwww...Daisy, you sound like a fairy tale :cloud9:

I'm sat here picturing a lovely quaint little counntry cottage with you fastening your bonnet and going skipping through the fields picking berrys then coming home to your kitchen and cooking...what a nice image :hugs:

Really hope you caught that egg honey :hugs:

:rofl::rofl::rofl: if only that was true, nice image tho. XXX

Morning girls, well i had REALLY painful ovualtion pains last night, good god they hurt, so i'm telling myself it's a huge FAT healthy eggie :yipee:

I promised myself i wouldn't syptom spot this month, but 1 DPO and i have started :rofl: well i tried.

So i'm so sure i O yesterday but cervix is still high :dance: last month it has dropped by about 2pm on the day of O, so hoping this is good. Also had some EWCM this morning (of poor quality) maybe it's a hormone surge cos we caught the eggie, or at least i'm hoping. Think we will BD tonight just in case, i hope it was yesterday as i have my CD21 bloods tomorrow and they may not work if i didn't O then.

My temp was higher than yesterday, but not my highest temp this month, but i looked on last months cycle and 1DPO it was the same high but not the highest of the month, so hopefully this is all good.

XXX

Just been making our baby :sex: i was so good lay there for over 30 mins with a pillow under my bum to help them all on there way. Should be half way to my eggie now :yipee:

As a reward for being so good i'm making DH roast lamb tonight and home made apple and blackberry pie, i picked the blackberry's myself while me horses were eating there breakfast, so i feel uber wifey like right now.

Can't wait for my eggie to be fertilised and grow into my gorgeous baby :yipee:


Perfect wife and very mumsy! you fill the roll perfectly!

Been working hard for your :bfp: hun, can't wait to hear you've got it! xxx

Aw thanks still waiting, i hope so, can't wait to find out our first baby is on the way. XXX

Come on little eggy!!! Stick stick stick!! :dust:

Morning, that's for all the words of encouragment for DH sperm :yipee: hope it's worked.

Well today had another temp rise, so just one more for FF to confirm O but looking good. Got to go for my CD21 bloods in a bit, obviously i'm hoping i will find out i'm pregnant next week and i didn't need them :dance:

I have lots of CM which is very watery but a little creamy, and my cervix is still quite hish which is different to last cycle. I promised myself i wouldn't sympton spot this time, well that's gone out the window. However i am trying to only really note things that are different this cycle, cos obviously any symptoms i thought i had last cycle were a load of rubbish. Zoebunny and Magic have u O???

Good luck girls.

XXX

Good luck for your bloods honey... and try not to stress out about symptom spotting. Just note everything down and look for a pattern :hugs:

I have either O'd yesterday or am due to O today... got a lovely, long awaited :sex: session in last night... so GO swimmers SWIM!!!!!

Good luck with the CD21 blood test honey :hugs:

And super duper good luck with a :bfp: this cycle!

:hugs:

Just come back from my bloods, i think i'm getting used to it as i wasn't really nervous and it doesn't hurt that much it's just the thought of it.

Go Swimmers get to Zoe's eggie!

Thanks TT's.

XXX

Daisy, sending lots of :hug: and baby :dust: your way!

Hi Hun

Hope the sperm have found the eggie and its now on its way to implant

Hope the blood test comes back fine too

:dust: :dust:

Well i'm now not feeling positive at all i feel really emotional and worried. Have just been thinking about my 8 day LP and even if my egg is fertilised what are the chances of it fully implanting by then. Well the answer is no chance. I have been looking at threads in TTC about when implantation happens and when people get there positive tests, and the replies just remind me of how unlikely it is to happen for me with a LP of 8 days :cry: :cry: :cry:

Hey hun! When do you get your blood test results? Don't give up hope yet - I read a post on here a little while ago from someone who got pg with a short lp (sorry can't remember the name!). I'm sure it can be possible. Come on PMA!!!!! :hugs::hugs:

I heard that to but i don't think her's was 8 days. DH is getting angry with me for getting upset and doesn't think i should be on here if it get's me down. Sorry i'll be ok i'm just feeling really sorry for myself right now. XXX

I heard that to but i don't think her's was 8 days. DH is getting angry with me for getting upset and doesn't think i should be on here if it get's me down. Sorry i'll be ok i'm just feeling really sorry for myself right now. XXX

Well try not to get too down:hugs:. When you get your blood test results it will be all systems go. Low progesterone is easy to treat, if that's the cause of the short lp. At least you are being proactive about this and you know about your cycles and what not. It's much better that way than to just leave it up to chance for ages and not know that there is a problem. You will get your bfp hun. May be you have to get the lp sorted first, but that's totally do-able! :hugs::hugs:

I heard that to but i don't think her's was 8 days. DH is getting angry with me for getting upset and doesn't think i should be on here if it get's me down. Sorry i'll be ok i'm just feeling really sorry for myself right now. XXX

Well try not to get too down:hugs:. When you get your blood test results it will be all systems go. Low progesterone is easy to treat, if that's the cause of the short lp. At least you are being proactive about this and you know about your cycles and what not. It's much better that way than to just leave it up to chance for ages and not know that there is a problem. You will get your bfp hun. May be you have to get the lp sorted first, but that's totally do-able! :hugs::hugs:

Thanks babe :hugs: you have made me feel a little more hopefull. I don't really know what CD21 tests are for i thought it was to confirm O? Is there any other reason than low progesterone for a short LP?

I should stay positive cos one of the girls in LTTC used B6 and here LP increased by 2 days, so i guess i should be asuming my LP is gonna be longer this cycle therefore giving me a better chance.

Thanks for the support.

XXX

Thanks babe :hugs: you have made me feel a little more hopefull. I don't really know what CD21 tests are for i thought it was to confirm O? Is there any other reason than low progesterone for a short LP?

I should stay positive cos one of the girls in LTTC used B6 and here LP increased by 2 days, so i guess i should be asuming my LP is gonna be longer this cycle therefore giving me a better chance.

Thanks for the support.

XXX

I think the cd21 test does check for o, as well as general progesterone levels. If you haven't got high progesterone then you haven't ov'd basically, but also the actual levels are important. I (and my gyno) know that I'm oving, but I'm still having the cd21 (next monday for me) to see what my post o levels are. If the levels are low, that can cause a short lp (like you) or pre-af spotting (like me). From what I've read, the actual causes of low progesterone are a few. Hang on a tick and I'll dig out some of my bookmarks for ya! BRB

Here, this one is pretty good

http://www.inciid.org/printpage.php?cat=infertility101&id=7

Thanks babe that's really helpful. I guess it might just be a waiting game for me, to get referred to the specialist to get an appoitnment then determine what is causing my LPD then treat it. I just hope i'm pregnant this cycle.

XXX

Thanks babe that's really helpful. I guess it might just be a waiting game for me, to get referred to the specialist to get an appoitnment then determine what is causing my LPD then treat it. I just hope i'm pregnant this cycle.

XXX

Gosh I must be really lucky - the waiting game in the UK sounds like crap! I haven't had to wait for anything - got a gyno appt, got my cd3 and will have cd21 all the the space of the 21 days! I will get my results by Wednesday next week and will see the gyno again on that day. I feel like buying you a plane ticket over here so you can get stuff done more quickly! There is absolutely F**K all money in the Bulgarian health system, so why is it so much quicker than the UK? Something stinks.:hugs::hugs:

I know babe such a nightmare, luck u tho, ur getting treated so well. XXX

Hey Daisy, don't feel down.

You've been doing your best this cycle, taking supps etc to lengthen your LP and you haven't even had it yet. I bet you are longer than 8 days this cycle... you only need 10 to massively up your chances, but it is still possible.

Don't get upset about something that hasn't happened yet ok??? Won't do you any good.

Magic's right... you have made a big step asking to get your CD21's done, so it can only get better from there
:hugs: xxxx

Hey Daisy, don't feel down.

You've been doing your best this cycle, taking supps etc to lengthen your LP and you haven't even had it yet. I bet you are longer than 8 days this cycle... you only need 10 to massively up your chances, but it is still possible.

Don't get upset about something that hasn't happened yet ok??? Won't do you any good.

Magic's right... you have made a big step asking to get your CD21's done, so it can only get better from there
:hugs: xxxx

Thanks babe :hugs:

Hey sweetie, hope you are feeling a bit more positive today...
:hugs:
xx

Hiya, couldn't post earlier my internet was being so slow. Today i would say i'm understandable cautious. Trying not to get my hopes unless AF doesn't arrive on Tuesday.

FF has now confirmed O :yipee: and i have looked at my other cycles and this one is slightly different at 3DPO my temps have previously been high but a tiny bit lower than the day before (FF still always confirmed O) and today at 3DPO there rose again, so i'm hoping that is a sign my progesterone is a bit better this cycle, so hopefully my luteal phase will be better. :dance:

XXX

Daisy, good luck to you this month! Sending loads of :hug: and baby :dust: :dust: your way!

Well just called DH doctors again, for his results. The receptionist spoke to the doctor who said they should be in by now, so she is calling pathology and if there in getting them to fax them over so i need to ring about 5. They won't tell me anything but at least we will know if there in and make an appointment. X

Just had a look at your chart and your temps are look really good Daisy!! See? Told you to be patient... looks like your hard work might have already got great results...

Let's hope those temps stay high and you find out your DH has got super :spermy:!! :happydance:

:hugs: x

Yeah super sperm, :yipee:

Zoe do u think my temp going up today is a good sign on the progesterone front?

Zoe do u think my temp going up today is a good sign on the progesterone front?

Very good sign honey...
http://www.fertilityfriend.com/HelpCenter/FFBook/Hormones-bbt.gif

This is the trend you are looking for in your temps after OV...
looks like yours doesn't it honey? :yipee:

Yeah thanks babe :yipee:

You are not gonna beleive this, apparently there is a back log on DH test results of a month. I don't get it they have to test it there and then so why can't we know now. I'm so pissed off, this is my life here. :hissy:

im sorry huni :( we have to catch up i miss u.. hope ur doing ok besides the dr's office!

You are not gonna beleive this, apparently there is a back log on DH test results of a month. I don't get it they have to test it there and then so why can't we know now. I'm so pissed off, this is my life here. :hissy:

Thats really bad! a month????
Well im still hoping you wont need it as you will be preg this time round anyway!!!

:hugs:

Thanks Rah, fingers crossed. Hope u and baby bump are doing well?

Well today my temp is identical as yesterday no dip even a tiny once since i o, i just hope it's a good luteal phase/pregnancy sign.

XXX

It looks good Daisy...

Your temp can't keep rising honey or your blood will boil! :rofl:
My temps are complete pants this cycle so think I'm out...

Will be on and off all day today, so catch up with you later alligator :hugs:
Z x

Hi DaisyDuke, thought I would stop by and catch up on your diary of events. Been meaning to read your journal for a while now, so just finished it. Good luck this cycle (hope you won't need to wait for OH's results) for your BFP....x.

well........... my blood results are in. I have a phone appointment tomorrow to discuss them, i'm very nervous it's at 11:40. I don't even know what she was testing for, imagine if she says i haven't been ovualting.

With that thinking how can my blood results be back in 2 days and DH sperm anaysis takes 1 month WTF???

XXX

You are not gonna beleive this, apparently there is a back log on DH test results of a month. I don't get it they have to test it there and then so why can't we know now. I'm so pissed off, this is my life here. :hissy:


Ugh, I'm so sorry! That is utterly frustrating! :hugs:

well........... my blood results are in. I have a phone appointment tomorrow to discuss them, i'm very nervous it's at 11:40. I don't even know what she was testing for, imagine if she says i haven't been ovualting.

With that thinking how can my blood results be back in 2 days and DH sperm anaysis takes 1 month WTF???

XXX

Different departments I assume... good luck for tomorrow, don't be nervous. Just make sure you write everything down that they say so that you can be sure you understand what they say (and so you can interpret the results on the internet too!!)
:hugs:

Well............. you know i said u wouldn't symptom spot :blush:

Well......... for about 20 mins i have had sharp isolated stabbing to the left of my belly button, is there any chance i could be the luckies girls ever and it be my baby implanting at 4DPO???

Let's hope so honey!!! Fx
:dust:

Well, i have got a bad belly now have the plops really bad sorry (TMI) i hope its my hormones surging form being pregnant, has anyone heard of this happening?

XXX

You are not gonna beleive this, apparently there is a back log on DH test results of a month. I don't get it they have to test it there and then so why can't we know now. I'm so pissed off, this is my life here. :hissy:


Surely you can complain about that. Really pisses me off, do they not realise how much stress that adds to couples ttc?!

Hope the poops are a blessing in disquise (how do you spell that?)

good luck with your blood tests xx

Thanks, i don't know what to do about the SA as it's not my doctor.

XXX

Morning girls, well i haven't been running to the toilet since last night. I'm a little confused cos i took my temp and it said 36.84 (last 2 days 36.84) but it said the battery was nearly dead? So i took it again and it was a definate 36.94 (same as the last 2 days) i still hadn't got up had a drink spoke or anything, and within a minute of it being in my mouth so only a minute past the first temp is was up to 36.9, the second time i took my temp, it didn't seem to be struggling with the battery. So which one do i beleive? Needless to say i'm off to get a new batery today.

Also have loads of creamy CM it looks like paste not lotion and it was a cream colour where mine is normally quite white, also there is a funny smell to it, i noticed the smell yesterday to, it smells of a food but can't pin point what to describe it.

I also feel a bit sick?

Hope ur all well?

XXX

I'm now experiencing a stabbing pain in my left nipple.

Just waiting on my blood test results am a little scarred. I have a phone appointment at 11:40. XXX

Well it's not looking good.

My prgesteron came back at 15.1

Under 10 you definatly don't O

Between 10-30 you might not O

And over 30 you defiantly O

I so scared worried and upset, going to be retested today. I just hope it's cos they tested to early.

XXX

Oh good luck to you hun! :hugs: :hugs: I'll be thinking of you.

Just got back, i went private i'll have the results in just over an hour, i'm so scared. Bloody private health care she coudn't find a vein i look like a heroin addict, my arms kill :hissy:

Heya chick - do you have your results yet? Thinking of you! xxx

I feel so unloved only Chris77 has read my journal today :cry:

magicvw loves me to :happydance: due within 30 mins. I'm scared. XXX

I love ya chick! I have posted! xxx

I know it's nerve-wracking hun. But, if they are low, that's the answer to your lp prob and one step in the right direction. :hugs:

But it means i don't ovulate how can that be? Look at my chart and i have high CP and fertile CM and psotive O test on the same day every cycle, i'm confused.com

Awwww Daisy I'm still here:hi: I read your post earlier but didn't realise you were getting tested again today, I really hope the level is higher love :hugs:

I'm on tender hooks for you :hugs:

Hun, I would bet $10000000 that you do ovulate. When I took my charts to my gyno, he looked through and said that I definitely O because I have the temperature jumps - and so do you babes! The problem can be low progesterone after ov - progesterone doesn't cause ov, it gets produced after ov, so if you have some, you o'd. Problem is that if the levels are not good enough, your af will kick in early - sound familiar? :hugs:

magicvw your a fountain of knowledge :hugs:

Thanks lola i feel loved again :yipee:

I'll post as soon as he calls, call is due in 7 mins but i expect him to be late.

XXX

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r83/pixichic2650/piggyheartwagon.gif Just collected a load more love for you xxxx

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r83/pixichic2650/piggyheartwagon.gif Just collected a load more love for you xxxx

Thanks i feel all squishy now with love now :hugs:, my call is officially due in 1 minute, how late do we reckon he will be?

Not at all I hope! I have got butterflies for ya! xxx

Still no call 5 mins late, butterflies all round, i feel sick actually. XXX

:hugs::hugs:

Good news i'm at 39 now :yipee: so i'm not lacking progesterone 5DPO and i ovulated as i thought. That was money well spent and well worth the silly moo not being able to get my vein. XXX

:wohoo::wohoo::wohoo::wohoo::wohoo::wohoo::wohoo::wohoo: :hugs:

:happydance::happydance:

Excellent news! So are you gonna wait this cycle out before you go back to the docs now - may be your lp just had a blip last cycle and will be fine this time round! :hugs:

What a relief. XXX

:happydance::happydance:

Excellent news! So are you gonna wait this cycle out before you go back to the docs now - may be your lp just had a blip last cycle and will be fine this time round! :hugs:

Well my LP has been like that since i have been charting. So i think i'll wait till :witch: shows up then go in incase she wants to do CD3 tests. Hopefully i will be going in to be refered to the midwife.

XXX

Yeah just been looking at your FF page. It's hard to tell cos the first month doesn't have a lot of pre-ov temps, but I think it's possible you o'd on cd13 which would make the lp for that month a healthy 13 days - did you check cm or anything back then? The cycle before that, without the temps, was a whopping 31 days - so maybe you did have a long lp then? I am rooting for ya anyway hun (and for your LP!). I really think it could just have been a one off last month and I really hope this month not only is your LP gonna behave but your gonna get a sticky little bean at the end of it!!! xxxx

I hope so, fingers crossed thanks for ur support means a lot, my mum just repleid to the new results and said bet your pregnant now, god i hope so. XXX

yay! im glad it worked out for u hun... had me scared for a min there

Glad your results are good hun, looking for the pregnant post now! xx

Hi sweetie - I LOVE YOU!!!!!! :hugs:
Just couldn't get on BnB yesterday...

:yipee: for the test results... let's hope that :bfp: follows shortly behind
xxx

Thanks Zoebunny i love u to :blush: So today is 6DPO and my temps are still the same, weird. Also have a sore throat that started last night and i have lost a bls and been eating like a pig. After having to run to the toilet on Thursday night i didn't go all day yesterday :blush: no idea if these are signs, but i did test this morning and got an obvious :bfn: hope my girls are well today?

XXX

Daisy, I'm keepign my fingers crossed for you :bfp:

I hope you're having a good weekend!

Wow, my temps have gone up even higher, any opinions on my chart would be great? XXX

Phew, glad all is well sweets.

Good luck with this cycle x

Ooohh got everything crossed for you!

:dust: :dust: :dust: :dust:

Your chart is looking mighty fine Daisy! Keeping everything crossed for you hun! xxx

Well i'm sure she is coming, yellow cm this morning which will turn to spotting later, same happened last 8DPO, so very pissed off i haven't even imrpoved my luteal phase. :hissy:

Going to the doctors today and i have managed to persuade them to get me DH SA results today so we get them at 5:45.

XXX

Sorry about the spotting hun, def get to the dr's and see if theres anything they can do to help make it longer xx

Good luck xx

I have been so busy this morning, sorted out to get DH results tonight (very scared) booked a doctors appointment for 4:20. Got private prices for specialist and called a chinese medicine man. The only way i can deal with the impending :witch: is to do something at least i feel slightly in control then. XXX

Good luck at the doctor's and with the results. :hugs:

:hug:

It ain't over until she is here honey ok?
So try not to get too stressed out about it just yet xxxx

good luck with your appointment today

She is coming, the same happened last cycle i'm sure my cm is now a little blood stained to it's identical same day and everything.

No luck at the doctors she has now dismissed a luteal phase defect as an issue, and says to come back in 2 months. I'm gutted i can't keep taking the pain of an unsucessful cycle, had a good cry about it all.

Thanks for all ur support.

XXX

We now won't be getting the results today, after me being promised them, i genuinly can't take anymore.

:hugs::hugs: so sorry chick - sounds like you're having a really crap day:hugs:

Was that the private doc who told you to wait 2 months? I don't understand how they can dismiss it - you only need to google it to see it affects fertility! What is it with these docs? :grr:

How about the Chinese medicine - did u get anywhere with that?

:hugs::flower::hugs:

No nhs doctor, we can't afford to go private, but i'm getting so desperate so we may be adding to our already huge credit card debt.

I'm calling the chinese medicine man in the morning he wanted to see what my doctor said as he didn't want his treatment to contradict the non existent treatment i'm getting on the NHS.

Pretty gutted now we have to go out for dinner for my mum's bday and act all happy. :hissy:

It's not over yet hun - although it feels like it I know :hugs:. AF has to arrive in full force and even then there are ladies who have got their bfp's after a period. I know it sounds like clutching at straws right now, but just trying to give you a little glimmer of hope for this cycle.:hugs::hugs:

Have you tried any of the other otc remedies for short LP like B6 or agnus castus? May be they're worth trying if the docs refuse to help? :hugs::hugs:

I'm already taking all of them, i appreciate ur PMA, but i have tried that every cycle and it's just becoming further to fall. I appreciate the support tho. XXX

I wish I could think of something else to suggest!:hugs:. Over here they just prescribe the progesterone pills for practically anything related to lp. You don't have to wait for anything - I was put on them in my first month of ttc! (Didn't get the bfp tho, did i!). They available over the counter in pharmacies here too. I asked a gp friend about them and she said that british gp's don't prescribe them - they prefer the testing bloods after failure of ttc route. I wonder why? :hugs::hugs:

It's crazy isn't it, i don't know what to do DH says he wont get further into debt and we just have to wait. :hissy: He is right but ut doesn't help me now. XXX

Ahh hun, i'm sorry your having a shit time of it. :hugs:

sometimes the best thing is to have a good :hissy: like you have done otherwise trying to get on with it mounts up doesn't it. Having a good rant about everything helps as well as it seems to take you to a point where you are empty of it all again because you've said it all out loud or written it down.

I know whatever we say at the moment isn't going to help but we are here for you hun. xx

Thanks for all ur support means a lot. XXX

Hey Daisy honey...

Have you got a Family Planning Clinic you can go to at a nearby hospital?.
I have always found them to be much more helpful than any doctor. You can get advice, tests all kinds of thing. Might be worth a try instead of your Docs.

Please don't be sad chicken :hugs:
:bunny:xxxx

ooooooooooooo i will try that, do u know where i would find info? XXX

Look on your local NHS trust website... best place to start,
I always used to go to a FPC for BCP or smear test, mostly women doctors/nurses and very lovely and helpful.
Babies are their business!!! :thumbup:
xx

Just looked on yell and they all seem to be for preventing pregnancy? Why do they call it family planning? XXX

Just looked on yell and they all seem to be for preventing pregnancy? Why do they call it family planning? XXX

Some people plan on NOT having babies...
sometimes they are called "Well Woman Clinics" xx

Thanks babe i'll be making calls tomorrow :hugs:

Keep your chin up eh??? You've done so well looking after yourself this month... you should be proud of yourself!
:hugs: xxx

How do u mean, i'm pretty fed up babe? You are wonderful at cheering me up a little tho thanks :hugs: XXX

I know honey... you've tried supps.. well timed BD, everything
Just don't want you to feel bad about TTC, you know, not give up hope that's all!!
Z x

Thanks chick, i'll do my best i'll be doing more this cycle, can u hear the desperation? LOL

Heya Daisy - I've just been surfing for info for you. Guess what, on the NhS websites search boxes, "luteal phase" has 0 results. :shock: There is another website which docs use when they don't know what to suggest http://cks.library.nhs.uk/infertility/management/detailed_answers/initial_investigations/initial_investigations_in_a_woman

shows that docs at least should have heard of the luteal phase, but there is no mention of luteal phase defect. I've scoured the UK sites - UK docs obviously don't believe it exists because it just does not show up in searches!

Bizarre considering that if you do a worldwide google there are literally thousands of results for luteal phase defect, like this one http://www.nlm.nih.gov/MEDLINEPLUS/ency/article/001482.htm

Interestingly, the UK NHS website tells docs that 30% of infertile women have unexplained infertility. Are they missing something here do you reckon?

The more I delve into the the more mad I get! :grr:

Ur a super star for finding all this put for me. What should i do with this info take it to the doctor? XXX

If you search in google scholar there are tonnes of papers on LPD....although some are in hamsters!! I think the problems seem to be that its controversial and also that testing for it is not accurate (as in testing the hormonal levels, as its not just a short luteal phase).

Check out this one:
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/119536964/abstract

which showed that short luteal phases were equally prevalent in fertile and non fertile women (8% and 9%)

if 8% of women who have babies have a short luteal phase, then there is hope for you!!! so dont get too despondent. x

Thanks chick. XXX

I think Loo is right. Because it's hard to prove, doctors don't mention it. I suppose they can only discuss things which have a solid grounding in research. But I still think it's strange that it seems to be mainly the UK doctors who dismiss lpd. Since taking progesterone supplements is the medication recommended by the International Council On Infertility Information Dissemination http://inciid.org/printpage.php?cat=infertility10d&id=7, and they are harmless, it does strike me as strange that uk doctors won't even try them out. Presumably doctors over here have access to some different research than the UK docs.

Daisy I think it's highly unlikely your doc is going to listen to you. I don't think most docs take kindly to being told their job (even if they need to be told!). You could broach the subject as a more general kind of query - ask whether it's possible to try progesterone supplements just to see if they have any effect - appeal to the doc's sense of discovery... just depends how open-minded your doc is hun I suppose. :hugs:

Hi Daisy, I'm so sorry to hear you are having such a rubbish time this month. Is there any way you could see a different doctor within the NHS, perhaps a different practice or just a different GP within the existing one? I agree with the rest of the comments and individual oppinion of the doctors makes a massive difference on how they will treat you. Otherwise the family planning clinic sounds like a good start point, it seems really important to me that someone listens to you properly :hugs:

Thanks for all ur help i called the family planning office but no answer :hissy: Also called the chinese medicine man but DH says it's to expensive :hissy:

I'm considering trying another doctor, i have discussed LPD with another doctor at the practise who also dismissed it.

:witch: was suppost to be here in full force this morning but just brown cm so far, i'm sure she will be here in a few hours.

I'll keep u posted with how i get on today. XXX

Well family planning clinic is a no go. I feel really self consience about seeing anoter doctor again, so i asked DH what he thought and he doesn't think i should. I just don't know what to do anymore :cry:

Next instalment on todays progress. Well i phoned my doctors and spoke to receptionsist i explained that i had been dismissed by a nurse practioner and another doctor, and i was feeling very self concience about keep pushing this. She said i should speak to another doctor who is a little more open to controversal subjects, so i'm speaking to her tomorrow at 3. After that i'm giving up as i don't have the strength to keep pushing this to be taken seriously.

Oh and apparently we get DH sperm results at 12 if the doctor is free, i'm trying not to hold my breath after yesterday, but i called and the results are in. So if there bad news we will get refered straight away, please god let him have super swimmers. XXX

Good luck with the SA Daisy! And well done for pushing for what you want! Please dont' give up for this month too - there is always thepossibilty of implantation spotting.... :hugs:

I'm sorry you're having a rough day. :hugs: Good luck with SA. I'll be thinking of you!

:hug:

Bad news, i'm so scared.

Normal

Volume 2-5ml
Motility >50%
Morphology >50%

DH

Volume 1.9
Motility 36%
Morphology 20% Normal so 80% dead

He is in a real mood, i'm so scared and upset, i know he will feel he has let me down, this is my worst nightmare, i'm scared he won't want to fight for this.

Awww - I'm so sorry hun! :hugs: Just let DH know that you are here for him and that you guys will get through this together! :hugs:

:hug:

I have, he is an emotianaly weak person, i don't know if we will survive this i expect him to turn around and say he doesn't want to fight for this. I'm so scared i think i may loose everything, DH suffers from extremly low self esteme as it is.

:hugs: shit Daisy. I'm so sorry for you bad news hun :hugs:

You WILL get through this somehow, I know it.

I have got to run to get LO from kindergarten now but will BRB in an hour or so.

:hug:

*hugz* Daisy

Sorry to hear about your hubbys SA. I think the main thing you can do to support him is not aportion any blame (I know you wouldnt do it conciously....I really thought my DH would blame me somehow for my mc....but he never did....not even a hint of it...and I love him all the more for being like that).

Are they going to repeat the test?? Often they say one test isn't conclusive. Here is more info if youthink it would be helpful:
http://www.infertilitybooks.com/onlinebooks/malpani/chapter4b.html

I hope you are both OK and I am sure you will find a way to work through this x

Well he seems to be coping with it much better than i imagined. I'm playing on the posisbilty that my luteal phase is only 8 days so he feels it's both of us.

However :witch: was due today but i still only have brown cm? Weird.

XXX

Hi Daisy Im glad he isnt as bummed out as suspected, I keep all us ttcérs in prayers so you will be in my prayers :)

Thanks Celine that's a lovely thought. XXX

Sorry to hear about your hubbys SA. I think the main thing you can do to support him is not aportion any blame (I know you wouldnt do it conciously....I really thought my DH would blame me somehow for my mc....but he never did....not even a hint of it...and I love him all the more for being like that).

Are they going to repeat the test?? Often they say one test isn't conclusive. Here is more info if youthink it would be helpful:
http://www.infertilitybooks.com/onlinebooks/malpani/chapter4b.html

I hope you are both OK and I am sure you will find a way to work through this x

That is a wondeful link, and it actually makes out like things aren't to bad, has made us feel better, thanks :hugs:

Hi Daisy, I am really sorry to log back in and see your bad news but I really really hope this is the beginning of the end in terms of resolving the problems. I know it is no comfort but I am lead to believe that very often SA on first try is normally not great. In terms of your cycle have you taken a HPT yet just to check af is definitely on her way?

I wish I could give you a massive :hugs:

Thanks Lola, yeah :bfn: just went to the toilet and there is more brown cm, so i'm sure she is coming. Shame tho. :hugs:

I'm so sorry love :hugs: I'm here if you need anything, not that that is much help but I am thinking of you :hugs:

Sorry to hear about your hubbys SA. I think the main thing you can do to support him is not aportion any blame (I know you wouldnt do it conciously....I really thought my DH would blame me somehow for my mc....but he never did....not even a hint of it...and I love him all the more for being like that).

Are they going to repeat the test?? Often they say one test isn't conclusive. Here is more info if youthink it would be helpful:
http://www.infertilitybooks.com/onlinebooks/malpani/chapter4b.html

I hope you are both OK and I am sure you will find a way to work through this x

That is a wondeful link, and it actually makes out like things aren't to bad, has made us feel better, thanks :hugs:

No problem. Just wanted to help. x

Oh I'm so sorry I haven't been on here to support you today honey... Hope you and DH can talk this through so that neither of you feel at fault. Neither or you are!! It's just biology.

Worse case is you have a short luteal phase and DH has a low sperm count. BUT... you DO ovulate and DH does have some very nice usable sperm. So all is not lost!!!!

Sending you oodles of hugs :hugs: xxxxxx

Yeah i just hope we will get refered and the treatment we need, not sure how i will cope if they don't take us seriously now. XXX

Hi Daisy - Sorry I haven't been around much too :hugs:

So pleased your DH has taken the news well. I don't know anything about SA, but if he has 20% ok, then that is still a lot of :spermy: considering you only need one, and it looks like this month at least your lp is gonna be 10 days+, which is fine, so I am very positive for you!:hugs:

Hi well :witch: got me. Is today CD1 or was today? By 11:30 last night there as actually spotting so i used a tampon. And when i woke up 8 hours later it was full, so not sure which day to use, hopefully it means my lp has increased? XXX

Awwwww chicken... so sorry!!! :hugs:
Today will be CD1, as bleeding commenced overnight.

Stick with the supps this cycle, as it might take a couple of cycles to see the full benefits (hopefully it wont take that long though). Do your research about any possible LP defect and DH's SA...

Sending you the biggest hug I can muster (wish I could do it in peson though) :hug:
xxx

I have done tons of research, but i can't get treatment cos they wont refer us. I feel like i have had the stuffing knocked out of me today, i thought i would have felt stronger today. Yeah ill keep going on the supplements, maca is due anyday. Back on the EPO and angus cactus today now :witch: showed up. XXX

I have heard the agnus castus can take up to 3 months to have effect, so may be this cycle you will have a lovely long lp and a beautiful bfp too! :dust:

I echo Magic!

Thinking of you!
:dust: :dust:

I would genuinly be the happiest person ever. I'm going to start yoga to help me relaz this cycle to.

DH has agreed to a doctors appoitment this week so he is off on friday :dance: I'm pretty sure he will re test so we will pay private and have them results monday or tuesday, so hopefully we will have more answers next week. XXX

I love Yoga! Very relaxing!

Good luck with the test results!

Good luck hun! :hugs:

Hi Daisy - Sorry I haven't been around much too.. I'm sorry AF got u.. i'm expecting her the 22nd... i'm not to positive this time around, hope ur ok huni xox

Hi snow did u read my whole post DH has bad sperm hence the upset :witch: is expected.

Have some kinda good news in all this, i am being refered to the specialist :dance: having a load of more tests done on Tuesday, internal stuff and she mentioned a scan something begining with pro......... any idea what this is and if i will ahve it done all at once. The referal time seems fairly short but i will no more on Tuesday. XXX

Is it 'per' instead of pro? Then it could just mean a vaginal ultrasound scan ('per vaginum') or am I barking up the wrong tree??

Good luck anyway

Maybe she said she wanted to check my ovaries, would they do that at the gp surgery?

Most surgeries don't have their own ultrasound, so probaly not.

What about 'prolactin' ?? Thats a blood test. High levels can stop you haing periods or mess up your cycle (and high levels are caused by stress, drugs, rare tumours etc)

Prolactin that rings a bell, could well be that, well done u. XXX

:hugs:Only just caught up hun, sorry youv'e had bad news this week.

Although great news that you are seeing the specialist :happydance: and as the others say DH has still got 20% of :spermy: chasing for that eggy!

:hugs:

We both started on the horny goat weed today to (aka maca) i reckon now i can relax we will get pregnant this cycle :dance:

Hey sweets sorry af got you, good on you for pma, hope thats not called horny goat weed 4 nothing!

:happydance: for your PMA! and the tests they are going to do for you. I promise knowing where you stand will be better than the unknown that way you can deal with everything. I have a really good feeling about this for you :hugs: I'm dead chuffed for you love

I agree Lola it's all good we will find out any problems and then we can get them all sorted. One way or another we will be fine, even if the worst case we have to have IVF, as long as we can have our own baby. My dad is weirdly excited not that there is something wrong but at the thought of fertility treatment and having a chance of twins. TBH looking on the positive side DH would love twins to, obviously in an ideal world we would get pg naturally. You never know this could be my cycle :dance:

Mornign girls i'm, feeling really positive today :dance:

DH is off to the doctors tomorrow, so we will know for sure how bad the results are, i picked them up yesterday and i have been googling like crazy, and i think there is a chance the gp who told him the results over the phone are wrong. DH thinks i'm cluthching at straws, but i have looked into it so much and i'm fairly positive. If they turn out to be good, i will be fuming at the dr who told us they are bad.

I feel very relieved that i'm getting all this tests done and refered, whatever is up it will get sorted and fairly soon.

XXX

hey chick - so good to see the old PMA back! :)

You are really getting things moving - excellent work chick. That :bfp: will have no escape this time round!

PS what on earth do you actually do with horny goat weed! It sounds scary! :shock:

It's maca it's suppose to help male and female fertility and increase sperm :dance: I'm taking 9 tablets a day 2 EPO 2 angus cactus B6 pregnacare and 3 maca, am i mad? Yes :rofl:

DH takes 3 maca a day, zinc, vit c, and folic acid all suppose to help swimmers :dance:

Glad you're feeling positive today! :happydance:

Hope you're having a good day today! :hugs:

It's maca it's suppose to help male and female fertility and increase sperm :dance: I'm taking 9 tablets a day 2 EPO 2 angus cactus B6 pregnacare and 3 maca, am i mad? Yes :rofl:

You are both going to rattle when you :sex:!!!! you go girl :happydance:

It's maca it's suppose to help male and female fertility and increase sperm :dance: I'm taking 9 tablets a day 2 EPO 2 angus cactus B6 pregnacare and 3 maca, am i mad? Yes :rofl:

You are both going to rattle when you :sex:!!!! you go girl :happydance:

:rofl::rofl:

Have you thought up setting up a side business as an internet pharmacy! xxx

Oooooooo what a good plan, we have an i.t and internet business anyway, so wouldnt be difficult :rofl:

My god Daisy... I think you and your lovely DH must officially be the first SUPPS addicts on BnB!!! :thumbup:
I think it's great!!! :yipee:
:hugs: xxxx

Morning girls, well i feel great this morning, i have certainly bounced back well from all the bad news.

Dh is off to the doctors at 5:20 so we will know the truth about his SA then. i'm sure were gonna be plesently suprised.

:rofl: about suppliment addicts :rofl:

My lucky clear blue digi arrived this morning very kindly sent from Monkeh, it's the other one from when she got her :bfp: I feel very hopeful it will be lucky, cos i refused to buy a digi before i got a :bfp: so the digi could confirm it. DH and i have said we wont beleive it till a digi spells it out. So now i have one in my test box, all ready and eagerly waiting to tell me the best news of my life. Thanks Monkeh :hugs:

XXX

Ooh that's good! Something to look forward to! :happydance:

Daisy, good luck with DH's tests.

Thanks for stopping by and giving me a pick me up.

:hug:

:dust: :dust:

Hi Daisy I hope all goes well with the SA at the docs, its lovely to hear you sounding so positive. Lets hope the digi comes in handy very soon :hugs:

Have a fab weekend :happydance:

Hey girls, well he just caled me on the way back from the doctors.

He still thinks there is cause for concern, but i don't think he knows what he is talking about. Cos although the morphology isn't great his sperm count is 2.5 times higher than it needs to be to be classed as normal. So he has more sperm that the average so who cares if a few extra die, surely the count makes up for that. I'm gonna take the results to my doctor on Tuesday.

Hope u all have a feb weekend. XXX

wow thats great news love have a great weekend :happydance:

Well no not great news the dr is still saying it's bad but i'm hoping he doesnt know what he is talking about. XXX

I don't know anything about SA - but a high count is good though. Doctor's don't always know everything.

Wellnthe doctor said nothing about a high count, he never mentioned the count, that's just my interpretation of the results. I'm confused.com!!!

Just thought I'd drop by with some :hug: and :dust: for you :)

:hugs:

Hey girls, well he just caled me on the way back from the doctors.

He still thinks there is cause for concern, but i don't think he knows what he is talking about. Cos although the morphology isn't great his sperm count is 2.5 times higher than it needs to be to be classed as normal. So he has more sperm that the average so who cares if a few extra die, surely the count makes up for that. I'm gonna take the results to my doctor on Tuesday.

Hope u all have a feb weekend. XXX

Does he mean that the abnormal morphology count is 2.5x higher than it should be? Rather than the actual total count? Suppose your doctor might be able to clear it up next week.

Theres a couple more links that give you a 'spermy overview' below, but I am not sure they add to what you've already researched.

Have a good weekend x

http://www.webmd.com/content/article/4/1680_51511

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/fertility/MC00023

sorry just read your thread in TTC and realised my first comment is pointless cos you've got the actual numbers to show count IS high!! Soz and ignore me....

1.5 i mean, this is the detail i put on a thread.

So DH went to the doctors, to have the results explained the dr's still says it's bad but i'm not so sure.

Count
DH, 50x106. Normal results are, 20x106, so he has a sperm count 1.5 times higher than it needs to be classed as normal.

Motility
DH, 46% or more. Normal results are, 50% or more (barely lower than ideal)

Morphology
DH, 20% normal. Normal results are, 30% or more normal (lower than ideal)

So motility is barely lower than the ideal, and morphology is officially low. However my thinking is does it really matter if it's a bit low as he has 1.5 times more sperm that the average sample. So am i right in thinking that his morphology is equivalent to 50% normal if he had the the lower sperm count (count that is still classed as normal)?

I hope that makes sense, what do u think?

XXX

I have no idea what the morphology means but it really doesn't sound too bad - to me at least.

Morning, well still non the wiser on DH SA, i hope my doctor can shed some light on Tuesday if not ill have to wait and see what the fertility specialist says.

So CD4 i'm due to O in 11 days :dance: my body should start geering up for it in 6 days :yipee:

Getting a little nervous for all this tets on Tuesday as i'm not really sure what she is doing.

XXX

Good luck with your tests hun! I understand what you're getting at with the SA results - I don't know if you're right but it certainly sounds logical to me!

:hugs:

Well it turns out i haven't been dealing with things as well as i thought. I was up till 3:30 drinking and crying on my own, i feel uber ill now, the worst hang over ever :cry:

Oh hun, really sorry to hear that :hugs:

Sometimes it helps to do that once and a while though! a good :hissy: can relieve you of a lot of tension and undealt with feelings. Hopefully now you've had your :hissy: you can take the next steps with a clearer head.

I hope you feel better soon xxx:hugs::hugs:

I'm slowly starting to feel a little better now i have managed to eat something. It just feels like a normal hang over now, i'm so annoyed at myself what a waste of a day.

FYI the maca is living up to its name of honry goat weed. We have been on it about 4/5 days and dispite the hang over we have had :sex: 3 times already today :rofl:

Poor you hun! hope your head isn't too bad! Glad to hear the horny goat weed is doing what it says on the tin!

xxx

Sorry about the hangover, Daisy! I hope it's gone by now.

Hope you're having a good weekend.

:hug:

Oh my 3 times already! that kind of effort before dinner time deserves a medal- obviously in the form of a :bfp:

:hugs:

:rofl: before 2pm to :rofl: just a shame i dont ovulate for 10 days :cry: XXX

Daisy,

You rampant thing you!! :rofl: However Im loving the dedication to the cause, practice makes perfect so Im thinking that by OV time you'll have it nailed :rofl:

Wishing you luck for a successful month :dust:

Well i slept like a baby last night, still so tired but feeling 100% better than yesterday, evil alcohol, and i blamed it all on not being pregnant, cos if i was i wouldnt have been drinking.

Still feeling very sorry for myself tho, i hope i will snap out of it soon. Off for loads of tests tomorrow, not 100% what but i know testing from chlamydia and doing interal stuff. XXX

Hi Daisy, Wow you had a busy weekend!!!!

Good luck with the tests tomorrow:hugs:

I have a sneaky suspicion i may be ovualting earlier this cycle, im about 5 days ahead of myself. I normally O on CD15, and get fertile CM and my cervix goes to medium at about CD10. I'm CD 6 and my CP is medium and i have watery CM, fertility friedn suspects i could be fertile, i think i may O in 5 days, gonna start opk today. This could be down to the maca and agnus cactus. :dance:

you go girl :happydance:

sorry to interupt. not read rest of limk, butwhat is maca and agnus .....??/ doesthis help you ovulate earlier. mine is day 15-17 and have been getting the witch day 26-28 so could do with it earlier. where can you get it from??
hope it works for you x

Wishing you luck with the tests tomorrow!

All that bd'ing you have done might come in useful if you're OV'ing earlier than normal!!!

:dust: :dust:

No worries chick. Agnus cactus and maca, both u can order online or from a health food shop. There both suppose to help with fertility, maca also good for men's spermies. I'm not 100% about making O earlier, but im sure mine is coming early this month. I'll try anything, good luck, i think u should defo get some. Let me know how u get on. XXX